His behaviour sure doesn’t help.
It’s hard to remember how much we hated Bush II back in the day. The fact that he is now just lumped in with the other surviving presidents today for me is the real demonstration of just how much worse Trump is.
Trump is the product of a Bush family conspiracy to rehabilitate Dubya’s image.
Man, its wild how much i miss conservatives of yesteryear.
Bush II should have swung besides Saddam, but trump has dashed any hopes I have for holding GWB accountable for pissing away the future of the middle class to murder the shit out of people on the other side of the world.
I think Bush was bad but a lot of the bad stuff he did was somewhat reversible (ICE existed , plus it’s not his fault that ICE is now used as a papers-please. There was PATRIOT but we reversed it so it’s actually a great example of what I mean.) and relatively short-term. Reagan, meanwhile, made a giant hole in our infrastructure that is still ingrained within everything today.
But ICE was literally created by the Bush admin along with the rest of the DHS, and the Patriot Act wasn’t reversed so much as disseminated into earmarks attached to various spending bills so it’s actually even harder to get those freedoms back. Even our current immigration system is descended from Bush era policy, including the fucking wall.
ICE wasn’t created, only transferred and renamed from the Immigration and Naturalization Service from the Treasury. There had to be an agency enforcing the era where we used a fucking ocean instead of the fucking wall. (There was a prosperous time of much freer immigration in between but my point is of course it was always a thing.) Finally, of course, ICE never and never intended to barge into cities and homes under the Bush like Trump did, nor did he forever change politics for the worse and blow up education and welfare and economic equality like Reagan did.
Could you source what you said about the PATRIOT Act’s sunset provisions?
INS was basically an entire different agency with an entirely different directive. That was also a time when our immigration system was bifricated. So there were, in fact, several agencies, who all had a specialized directive. DHS changed all of that. Not to mention the budget increases.
I grew up 200 feet from a HUGE Border Patrol station in southern California, and about half a mile from the Mexican border. Just because they weren’t coming into the city centers and making big show about it doesn’t mean that they were terrorizing people all over border regions for a loooong time. Murder, rape, racketeering, etc have all been extremely common, and they pretty frequently destroy water and food stashes that good samaritans have left for folks, which has led to uncountable deaths.
Source it? No. I’m not going to show you the last 20 years of federal legislation that removes your freedoms systematically. My point was that we are not in a better place now than we were then, and the place where we are now has everything to do with where we were then
Lmfao, are you fucking kidding?
Do you not remember the Iraq and Afghanistan wars? The constant bombing of the middle east and the trillions of dollars wasted over decades?
Fair point.
The patriot act was reversed?
technically the provisions that made it infamous had dates of expiry, weren’t extended, and are thus no longer in effect
To me there’s no comparison. Bush Jr. is responsible for a million Iraqi civilian deaths. As much as people wish it were so, Trump doesn’t hold a candle to that (yet).
Sure, but the question was, who is more hated? I do not think that globally at the moment the population thinks about, let alone actively hates, Bush Jr these days.
Yes Trump has his core base, but man, it really feels like if you don’t love him, you hate him.
Trump is among the worst humans in history.
like mad Roman emperor level.
Raped children, casually murdered 150 school girls, Hitler style Gestapo and concentration camps, unmatched level of corruption…
like worst human in history, the question is maybe if he’s worse than Hitler, not Bush
He has yet to reign over the deaths of millions of people for being in the out-group.
Don’t misunderstand me, Trump is a walking bag of syphilitic, pus filled, nazi cumsocks. But he’s not attained quite the level of warcrimes Hitler did. Not yet anyway.
How many have died because of DOGE’s reckless cuts?
Again, not even close to the number of people the Nazis killed. Auschwitz probably killed more people a month than Trump and his regime have been responsible for to date.
…they estimate that somewhere between 8 and 19 million people could die, including 4.5 million children, by 2030. - NPR
Seems like his holocaust of indifference is well on it"s way to surpass the actual one.
Consider how many people died as effect of his decision (I.e. pulled funding from Africa). I know it’s not same ballpark, but it doesn’t mean it’s fine
He’s a solid #2
How many died through covid because his incompetence?
Not even close to the number the Nazis killed, directly or indirectly.
1.2% of Americans did not survive his covid policies, compared to 0.15% in New Zealand a country that took it seriously. That is over a million excess and needless deaths of US Americans due to Trump’s ego and stupidity.
Not nothing.
But if you want death s in concentration camps more like the Nazis, there are many deaths in ICE concentrations camps, they don’t get access to healthcare and barely enough food. Probably not in the millions, but they are not finished yet.
Lmfao, honestly, this thread is making me realize that Trump has a point when he talks about Trump derangement syndrome.
Multiple comments now have compared him to Hitler, which makes you either ignorant of present day reality or grossly ignorant of history.
Like honestly, “casually murdered 150 schoolgirls”. Do you know how many fucking innocent children Bush got killed in Afghanistan and Iraq?? It’s more than 150.
Sure buddy. The thing is that Trumps’ death toll is just getting started and it’s going to be a big one.
Yes, but bush did not go to Esptein, or steal billions. He was bad, but it is a different leage of bad. He is responsible for over a million US exes during COVID. over 1.2% of Americans did not survive his first administration and died directly due to his ego.
or steal billions.
Yes, billions of dollars was funneled from the US government, to defense contractors like Haliburton, explicitly to prop up the corporations of Bush and his friends like Cheney.
He is responsible for over a million US exes during COVID. over 1.2% of Americans did not survive his first administration and died directly due to his ego.
I mean fair point, but his COVID policy was also a direct reflection of the will of a huge amount of the American public. Fox News has more deaths in their hands because of COVID then Trump does if you want to be honest about the origin of the anti-vax attitude. It certainly didn’t start with Trump, though he was in a position to influence change and he didn’t.
I mean, he’s a Nazi presiding over a Nazi government doing Nazi things.
He isn’t as bad as Hitler yet; but Hitler wasn’t as bad as Hitler in the first part of his reign either.
Read the fucking room.
I wish this wasn’t true, but I’m almost certain it will be.
He is consistently ranked the worst president
He’s consistently the worst person, period.
Yea, even without the Epstein stuff he still is…
They were best buds.
i think epstein, or someone said Thiel was thier best buddy in financing epstein on his various investments, not a surprise that thiel was likely associated with young men ALOT.
Yeah, that’s why historians examine things through hindsight and evidence not flash polls on CNN designed to get headlines.
I wouldn’t describe the American Political Science Association as a flash poll on CNN.
A historian 30 years from now will see them about the same.
I’m pretty sure historians 30 years from now are still going to learn how to differentiate source quality.
Yes, and at that point, both sources will be meaningless in the context of who the most hated president is.
They will also be meaningless because the same polls were not carried out during previous presidencies, so there is nothing to compare them to, nor was there the same information ecosystem.
At present he won’t go down as the most hated President of all time in the long run, and if Trump goes down as the most hated president, during his time, it will only be because social media didn’t exist during Andrew Jackson’s time.
Hated by who?
As a person, he is absolutely vile and disgusting. For one thing, he raped children and recently killed ~160 school girls. He combines the crookedness of Nixon, the dementia of Reagan, the genius of W and the child molesting of Clinton into one person.
From the perspective of a citizen of a EU country that has blindly followed the US for several decades, I’d like to add one more thing. He is the first president who put a dent in the alliance between the US and Europe and who is really not our friend. He threatened Denmark and Greenland, puts random tariffs on EU products out of spite and worst of all, he appears to be a tool of Vladimir Putin, who has invaded a EU member.
I do not think that ‘hate’ covers what I feel about this absolute piece of human garbage, but he is definitely one of the worst persons currently alive.
Ukraine isn’t an EU member. It’s still a european country though and borders the EU
You are correct.
Easily without a doubt. He has the lowest approval rating of any president before he stopped them from tracking it.
I’d argue that he’s worse than Hitler. Hitler seemed to at least love his idea of Germany. Trump cares only about himself. He’s not above any of Hitler’s brand of crimes, the chance to profit off of them has just not introduced itself fully yet.
Only two things can drive a man to such extremes as what Hitler did.
Love and insanity. The scary part is when someone has both.
Hatred and negative emotions just for the sake of it rarely can keep someone driven long enough and hard enough to reach such lengths.
No reasonable person who has looked into hilters life can say that he wasn’t absolutely head over heels in love with his ideal vision of Germany
And as he grew older and the drugs really got to him the insanity really kicked it up a gear. Depending on which side your in with how much he used drugs and how impactful.
No one who uses what he did even lightly stays entirely sane while under the pressure he hoisted on him self in his mad attempt to make his vision a reality.
Lmfao, there not a chance in hell you’d make that argument in real life to a real person.
They would mention the deaths at a single concentration camp, hell they could just mention the deaths from Kristallnacht, and you’d look foolish.
9.4 million excess deaths by 2030 due to USAID cuts. 188,000 avoidable COVID deaths during his presidency. Thousands will die due to cuts to the CDC, FDA, EPA, NOAA, and more. It will take time before we see the results of the death toll in the Middle East and domestically due to ICE and right wing terrorism.
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Let’s hear that argument
One thing I am certain of:
The next Republican president will be worse.
I can’t or won’t even begin to imagine how that could be possible.
Trump is evil and stupid, someone worse would be evil and smart, and there’s plenty of those around.
Trump’s also lazy. He’s casually racist, a casual rapist pedophile. True commitment is much more frightening.
President Steven Miller
Every time I read something like this I get a little closer to ‘No, no I will die before that happens’.
Amongst the general public, maybe.
Amongst scholars and experts, definitely.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_presidents_of_the_United_States
If we survive Trump. We will be weaker in so many ways. The institutions that underpin our democracy have been severely damaged. I also expect a severe economic downturn over the next few years.
I worry that the next Republican President will be younger more calculating and energetic. They will look at the Trump era as a blueprint for taking permanent political control of an already damaged system.
Whoever comes next will be blamed for the state of the economy and the government.
There’s just one sliver of hope: When Trump keels over the Republicans will tear each other qpart like cats in a bag. That’s your opportunity. You have to get the right people in, you (the “left of MAGA”, basically normies) will win an easy landslide just that one time…
I’m British and this is what happened here - the right briefly in disaray allowed our centre-left party to win big. Just once… now Labour are blamed for everything and are getting destroyed in the polls.
Isn’t Labour right wing now too?
They’re way left of the Tories and Reform. But yes, that’s what I was getting at with the “right” people. If Americans fight for better Deomcratic candidates between now and 2029 then they have a chance. They’ll win big when Trump goes anyway so the question is: Who benefits?
I’m not from the US or UK, but I assumed that Starmer having directly succeeded Corbyn had a hand in or was beholden to those in Labor who politically assassinated Corbyn. Reading a bit more (Starmer’s Resignation Speech and Corbyn’s Rebuttal | Telegraph.com) I don’t think it’s only unjust blame. I assumed the Labour party got completely ratfucked under Starmer.
But we’re seeing the same rightward and fierce anti-socialistic / anti-pacifist / anti-solidarity push in France and Germany too. Like Labour, the SPD and Greens in Germany also aided and abetted in the genocide in Gaza. What sane party is left to vote for?
In the USA I can’t imagine the Democrats doing any serious reconstruction or “new deal” program to undo the economic, institutional and political damage Trump has done. Not with all the plutocrats, establishment and media against them. Just look at the reaction to Mahdami. Or them shooting themselves in the foot with Platner lol (See this article from 2025 that should have cancelled him).
Honestly, I believe the era of social or liberal democracy is pretty much over. It’s like they are doing everything they can so fascist parties rise and take power. They don’t know how to do anything else. The elites are not dumb, but they are stupid. They’ll accelerate and drive us straight into a global collapse.
The Uncle Rupert propaganda machine.
Max out the Conservative “good” stories and the Labour “bad” stories.
I believe that the best years of our country are behind us. The erosion of the ethical values of those serving in public office the ‘acceptance of daylight corruption,’ betrayal of our allies, and the attack on education, intellectualism, and renewable energy will set us back for a long time.
There is a blueprint the heritage foundations project 2025 is over halfway implemented
Most hated president? He’s on my list of most hated humans.
He does fit, but remember: He’s just the symptom and if the Republicans wanted too, Trump would be gone in 24h. There are just many evil people who keep Trump were he is while pushing him one way or the other to get what they want.
Trump has been an awful human being long before he became president, so no sympathy needed, but what is being done to him is elder abuse.
I think W Bush painted the world black and white when there is nuance. You’re either with us against us. Started two very unpopular wars and dragged Nato members in. Caused mass immigration to Europe from leading to the raise of people like Bannon, Trump and Farage. The entire far right really. For me, Bush was the catalyst that led us to where we are right now and is the worse president. But even I think I am wrong cause my memory doesn’t go back much further.
And worse of all. Bush didn’t even win. Roger Stone literally stormed the recount, Bushes brother shut the count down and the supreme court went cool, cool, cool. Been hating ever since the shocking lack of democracy in America. And the fact that some anti abortion Gun nut in some swing state determines how many of my friends will die in wars, how much petrol will cost and how much food will cost due to sheer greed of the owner class in America.
So for me. Bush 2. Trump just let the world see the corruption in day light where the others kept it in the dark.
I say people like Rupert Murdoch and Roger Ailes seeded the culture that led to the modern right wing.
I think he’s the most hated living person in the history of the world, if you go by number of people who hate him. There were less than half as many people around when Hitler was alive.
Probably. It’s hard to think of another president that fucked kids, and was this blatantly corrupt.
Jefferson
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raped an enslaved woman and enslaved his own children.
Yeah here’s the thing, almost all of the early countries leaders would be piece of shit by today’s standards for sure. The slavery alone…
Yeah and I think they all sucked shit
Agreed 100% I wish more people could separate good ideas from the actual people who implemented them
Thomas Jefferson, Bill Clinton (probably). I can’t even name all the US Presidents, but I’m pretty sure child rapists are over-represented in that group.
You can go almost anywhere on Earth and say “I can’t wait to read that obituary” in the local language, and people will know who you’re talking about. We haven’t had that since Hitler
