“As a trans man, I have the immense privilege of blending in. But these laws force me to choose between safety and obeying the law.”

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    Assholes don’t care about bathrooms or they would simply make unisex ones with private stalls, open areas sinks, and complete view to the outside hallway. The safest and most reasonable option, but no here we are getting cops involved because people love being cruel.

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        PDX airport!

        I have never been there, but I have seen photos and not only do they have the stall idea correct, the open area is beautiful. Just a really nice space.

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      Bonus points if having a small sink in a stall. Makes the process more hygienic and is invaluable in certain situations (mess, periods etc.)

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        Or at the very least a private room with all the amenities for the certain situations like you mentioned and families (diaper change, small children with parents, etc). Interestingly those are not uncommon.

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          Well yeah but isn’t it usually taking advantage of small technicalities within a law to cause disruption? This is literally taking the law at face value, as it was intended

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            Malicious compliance generally doesn’t involve technicalities, just following the rules. The maliciousness comes from knowing that following the rules, exactly as they are written down, will cause problems and disruption, and then doing it anyway, allowing the rules to override things like common sense.

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            As I understand it, it’s generally any form of compliance. Typically, it’s abusing technicalities, but what makes it “malicious” is that it subverts the intention behind the rule or order.

            This law was designed to harass women. The transphobia is the vehicle used to deliver that intent, but for all its bigotry, it clearly isn’t the ultimate point. All the discourse is about “protecting (cis-)women”, about transfem athletes, and so on. Frankly, I’m not sure the type of politician to push this type of politics even remembers that transmascs exist. Even if they do, it’s not like they could do anything about it that wouldn’t risk collateral damage among cis-men.

            Imagine how it would to if you tried to apply the “bathroom genital check” to the gender that invented etiquette about not standing too close to others when pissing. The geriatiric shrimpbearers in power would have a meltdown over the idea of someone manhandling their dick to make sure it’s real.

            (Nothing wrong with a small dick, just with making your insecurity about it someone else’s problem.)

            Now, unlike the transphobia, they can’t make the misogyny explicit in the law (or at least they aren’t sure they’d get away with it yet, so why risk it?). The law as written technically also applies to transmascs, even though they weren’t the target and it realistically would never be enforced against them.

            Thus, the malicious compliance is that the transmascs carry out the letter of the law rather than its spirit, fully expecting the predictable result and provoking the authorities into tipping their hand.

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              For the lawmakers it has an added bonus of being a double bind for transmascs. Passing for cis isn’t binary or consistent, every trans guy has to guess what the likelihood is that any time he uses the men’s room someone will think he looks trans and call the cops. There is no safe answer for him (trans women have a similar situation). For both trans men and trans women the less likely to get the cops called answer will tend towards men’s rooms, but that’s only because men are less likely to call the cops on a woman in the men’s room.

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          Malicious compliance is about applying an overly literal interpretation of a rule. There is nothing overly literaral about acting as if a law requiring trans people to use the wrong bathroom requires trans people to use the wrong bathroom.

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    Were they bothering anyone else using that restroom? I doubt it. Maybe the ones who watch everyone coming and going into such facilities should be investigated. Mind your own business, everyone has to relieve themselves. People are ridiculous.

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      As a dude with long hair, I walked into the stall and then heard the dude that I passed asking the service staff about me. He obviously did not see my beard. People really are ridiculous.

      I am very much in favor of unisex toilets plus separated urinals. But we all know that you can’t argue with people who create such laws specifically to make the lives of others miserable.

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        “Don’t report me cuz you wanna kiss me, you pervert. The bathroom is for peepee and poopoo, not kisses, you filthy man. No one kiss this guy, he’ll make you do it in the bathroom.”

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      Start calling the cops for every person that uses the bathroom. After all, we can’t be sure about their biological sex.

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        Seems logical to show the stupidity, but it could also backfire. You know how once cops get called to a scene, they have to find something wrong or someone to arrest. And that could easily be you since you called them. When people in legit danger have called the police and ended up getting shot, I’d say nope, leave them out of it.

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    First it was the blacks, then more and more people had black friends.

    Then it was gays, but more and more families had out gay people.

    Now it’s trans people, but this is a passing thing.

    Who will these weirdos go after next?

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      These things pass because we organize, inform and fight. They don’t pass on their own.

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      I don’t think they care. It’s all about scoring cheap political points

      The fact police weren’t even informed about the law says a lot about the priorities

  • 🌞 Alexander Daychilde 🌞@lemmy.world
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    THIS is a fucking powerful protest, good work fellas. <3

    Fuck all the transphobes. It’s such bullshit and tiring. And I’m a cis white dude, so I don’t have to put up with this shit myself, and it’s still tiring just to hear about it for decades and decades and decades. (Putting up with it is much worse is what I’m saying…)

    Mad respect to those that stood up (or… sat down, tee hee hee) in protest. These guys are in the perfect position to make this statement and point out how ridiculous it all is.

    • Boo! Haunted House!@lemmy.world
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      Agreed. Pretty clever protest that reveals this was never about “banning the wrong gendered-person from using their preferred bathroom.” It was always “ban the wrong-gendered person”, and the corpo-protecting pigs played right into it.

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        As much as I get a little tired of men claiming to be victims of prejudice, though, I do have to admit that this seems to be one of the valid areas (among others). Transphobes are clearly not wanting transwomen in women’s spaces, but then they also don’t want transmen there. You can’t have it both ways, at a minimum.

        But I find my brain trying to be sympathetic (to the transphobes’ fear of ‘men’ in women’s spaces, be that transmen or transwomen, they seem to think all of them are “men”) - and I have to say to that part of my brain (that has had decades of transphobia propaganda that I disagree with, but it still gets in the brain - in our culture) “What? No, fuck off. Humans with human rights. Everyone needs to pee. Good grief, just… can we make bathroom stall doors actually private and unisex all the bathrooms? Because who gives a fuck, people need to pee in peace, LET THEM PEE IN PEACE”…

        It’s very frustrating living in this culture.

        (I’d still argue, btw, that women face FAR more problems with misogyny than men do with misandry - but on the other hand, all misogyny and misandry is wrong, so it’s hard to have nuanced debate sometimes)

  • rynn@piefed.social
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    Is it illegal to use an opposite gendered restroom if I’m not trans?

    Like if I’m a dude and look clearly like a dude and I walk into the women’s restroom is that illegal? What if it’s an emergency and then men’s room is full??

    This whole thing is so stupid.