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It’s my understanding that this essentially amounts to the legal and collateral doxing of hundreds of thousands of people, if it spans all members of these servers.
Stop using Windows. Stop using Discord.
Where will i post the classified documents if not discord?
War Thunder forums.
Unfortunately you’re only allowed to do that if you’re arguing that your (insert X vehicle here) should definitely have been able to take on (insert Y vehicle here) because of something in said classified documents.
Hey now not all of them leak documents. Some of them travel to warzones to acquire in person measurements.
Depends on the classification. TS is only approved on Signal group chats.
Why use a password manager if you can send yourself a list with your most used passwords?
Stop using Windows. Stop using Discord.
Yep. On it almost a year now, ever since 10 was EOL’d and I learned Discord was building a profile on every user based on usage.
Linux has been awesome and Discord mostly sucked anyway.
What solution did you end up on post Discord? If you had a group of people you communicated on Discord with, did you have luck migrating them out? I’d like to move, but my use is already really minimal and I feel like getting my friend group out is going to be difficult to non-existent in some cases.
Matrix is what I moved to. To make transition easier for my core friends I wrote a guide with step by step instructions and pre-made a replica of our discord server. I got probably 70% of them to come over.
The real hit was large communities. For roughly a month I came in daily letting my communities know about what was happening and that I was gonna switch so if people wanted to find me here is where they could find me. I got 3 kinds of replies:
- The nihilistic “I’ll never escape it, everyone already has my information, why fight it”
- (In reference to the ID verification) “I’m not American so I don’t care if people have my ID because my country doesn’t have the problems America has”
- “Moving is too hard and I use one specific feature the other apps don’t have and my friends are here so I’ll move when they move”
Moving to the new platform, giving a grace period to friends, and then moving and cutting contact with the platform had the highest success rate. People that want to talk with you will move, even if it’s just to only talk with you. But the hardest thing is accepting that some people just don’t care about their privacy and want the easy to use features enough that they are willing to lose contact with you.
None. I was never invested in it very heavily. I had one channel that I was a pretty involved member on but the whole “you don’t have to tell them how old you are, they’re going to use an algorithm and your usage patterns to deduce it,” I was just haha no, fuck that, and I quit.
Fair enough. I strictly use it for comms in games I play with friends. I’m not active in any other communities and I’m certainly not paying for nitro. I’d like to migrate but getting everyone to do so probably won’t happen. I could maybe convince my closest game friends, but I have a clan in a game with people I don’t know that we use discord to chat. Definitely not getting all 40+ to move.
They’re fishing with a dragnet subpoena for everyone on 3 discord servers whether or not they had anything to do with to the leak.
This is like demanding the lifetime customer history of everyone who had ever gone to a bar where a crime happened.
Stopped using discord a long time ago. If this doesn’t make people stop, nothing will
This isn’t even remotely as bad as the ID thing, which was only delayed.
they only need to get one, intimidate that 1 person to come foward, set an example. they do this with movies being pirated in the past. mass subpeona for certain movies and shows.
Take-Two wants more than just names and is asking for MachineGuid and MSA device identifiers, registration and last-login IP addresses, phone numbers, linked Google and Xbox connections, and OneDrive contents for every account that communicated in three named Discord servers since June 1.
No government is requesting this and nothing can stop this massive transfer of personal information. This is a company mad at facing contempt for their anti-consumer practices and exercising extra-legal methods to find the justice they will buy against the people they deem responsible.
Take-Two is not stopping at who is responsible either. They are scrapping ALL records of everyone who has ever touched those Discord servers. And there is nothing innocent people can do to appeal or stop this.
Corporations are authoritarian motherfuckers.
I‘m more upset about the union busting than their anti-consumer practices but that‘s mostly because I have no interest in buying it. Either way it‘s an insane demand for a company to make. How about just let authorities handle it like everyone else would?
It’s a civil suit, not criminal.
No government is requesting this and nothing can stop this massive transfer of personal information
Plenty of governments don’t need to request it because they already have all this info. Like China.
My point is highlighting that this action is outside of any established set of laws. There is literally no regulation around what a company can do to keep information private.
Aren’t they using the legal system in this case? So it is by definition, within a set of established laws. Though to me it’s not clear if the judge will let them actually get this data. If this were Apple, Apple would probably push back. Microsoft might just give it away for fun though.
My point was simply refuting the “no government” part of your statement. There are plenty of authoritarian governments that are just as bad on privacy
Rockstar and Take-Two are performing the investigation themselves, not law enforcement. This is corporate vigilantism where the business finds someone they think is guilty and hands them over to the police to enact the justice the business advocates. The police should be investigating and requesting records, NOT the business.
There’s been more efforts to catch someone because of a game than millionaires evolved in pedofilia and human traffic
The only thing we will not get before GTA 6 is the full and unredacted Epstein files.
🤞🤞🤞
Basically, Microsoft spies on everyone. They’ll identify you and let the feds trawl through your OneDrive account. On Windows, it actually takes a very conscious effort to NOT upload files to OneDrive.
They’re targeting a guy just because he unknowingly interacted with the suspect. As a joke.
If anyone questions why people like me have a GrapheneOS pixel connecting to self-hosted cloud storage on a home linux server, this is why.
That also gives you several other informations:
- If Discord can read the device ID, every other website or program can?
- If Discord can’t and courts are forcing Microsoft to give out that data for Take2 to correlate IP adresses or other data, that is also really bad
So the only solution is to get the fuck away from everything Microsoft.
The hypocrisy is strong from this company making a game that glorifies theft.
It’s got at least as much murder too. So, uh…
maybe we will get a stresisand effect, and people will boycott it due to this?
After seeing the leaks, I can now understand the panic. This can result in a lot of hype going away and cancelled pre-orders due to the fact that it just looks like another GTA game and not some miracle that many tried to portray.
Probably a reason they started pre-orders before showing gameplay.
Manage your expectations people.
Imagine the legal theory of their case against the leakers. “Members of the jury, these leaks caused my client to experience irreparable economic harm when they showed what a piece of shit this game was instead of allowing my client to hoodwink nostalgia driven nerds for a countless number of pre-orders.”
Preorders for games that are going to be available digitally… it’s wild shit.
“Bu-but you can download it be-before hand and play it once the clock show the right time!!”
This can result in a lot of hype going away and cancelled pre-orders due to the fact that it just looks like another GTA game and not some miracle that many tried to portray.
yeah I was wondering how they’d pull off some kind of revolution in rendering tech… is there a source to see these leaks?
is there a source to see these leaks?
There’s cyberleek subreddit, last leak was posted 3 hours ago
eh, I can wait lol. reddit… eeuuhhehehehhhhghhhghh… thanks tho
Just wear a condom
that’s lolworthy
And once again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf5Uj4XIT1Y
Daily reminder that buying GTA 6, or any other Rockstar game for that matter, directly supports some of the worst oligarchy and authoritarianism present in the west.
Instead of buying any of their worthless slop - pirate, seed, don’t even play it, share any and all leaks. Do your part to hurt their bottom line, and let us hope another Luigi takes up the case. Or ten.
sorry I’m genuinely out of the loop, but how is gta 6 supporting some of the worst oligarchy and authoritarianism?
The CEO (Strauss Zelnick) has links to Epstein
Yeah but who doesn’t these days.
Vast majority of people
Scotland innit
Fucking peoples lives over for leaking what is essentially advertising is an insane timeline to be living in. In a proper world, Take-two would get laughed out of court and Microsoft /Discord would be under investigation for spying on its users.
Wasn’t there a thread the other week warning everyone about Microsoft device fingerprinting and there were chuds in the comments saying it was a nothing-burger and the fingerprinting was necessary for licensing or some shit? Talk about timing!
If Cyberleek isn’t shitposting out of his ass and actually has a deadman’s switch which could leak the build in its entirety online, then this could be a very dumb move on Take Two’s end. The authorities would need to go full Ross Ulbricht on his ass and hope they can control the switch.
What’s even sadder is that T2I and Rockstar have been such greedy litigious fucks over the years that I’m genuinely rooting for a crypto scammer who has used this entire leak to promote his shitcoin over them.
Just the fact that the GTA6 Extended Look will be a timed Netflix exclusive gives me the ick. That’s one step removed from releasing game trailers as exclusive PPV events.
If we’re gonna start treating game reveals like UFC and WrestleMania then I’m out.
Oh sick! So if this goes through, precedent is set that anyone who can come up with a reason greater than “my video game leaked”, can legally
brokercollectharvestrequest data from select discord servers that can directly tie the real identity of an individual to their windows device id.I can’t see that being abused at all.
Did they check the marketing department?
Oh shit, I’m fucked!
No, wait, never mind, I use Linux 🤣
can microsoft still throw a GDID on a linux machine if you sign into a microsoft account while on linux? maybe not as powerful as on windows, but still as a unique identifying cookie or something?
No.
If you run their software, yeah they can fingerprint your device. That includes if you visit their websites — it’s completely feasible to take a deterministic reading of various unique qualities of your machine that can be used to later identify your device as the same device in another circumstance. That doesn’t inherently provide lineage to anything identifying you, but it can easily lead to something.
Unless you have a very unique device, I imagine it’s not possible to do this posthoc with standard data collection from web traffic. You’d need to be intentionally doing this beforehand for it to be reliable.
Though… I wonder if there are certain softwares where telemetry can reasonable be used to fingerprint a device. Maybe a browser like Edge — though, who’s using Edge on Linux lol?
I would not be surprised if they used minecraft for it, which is why I had my initial concern/question.
Its probably got a larger install base than any non-corporate microsoft product outside of an OS. Which would make it a fantastic snooping tool
Yes, they can. Every computing device has an ID similar to Windows GDID. You can see yours in Linux with “cat /etc/machine-id”. If I am not mistaken, it changes when you install another distros, but I’ve never checked. Now, since there is a machine ID, using Microsoft services are highly likely to grab that ID, but I am not certain that would happen, I’m just guessing it does, because Microslop. In any case, my suggestion is to remain away from any big tech bullshit as much as your needs will allow.
cat /etc/machine-idThat’s a machine ID, GDID is Winblows exclusive. And in my case, I don’t use any big tech crap, so I’m sure that, even if they could get it, they can’t do shit with my machine ID either. I can always nuke my system, reinstall Fedora, and BOOM! new machine ID.
