Causualties Israel-Palestine 10/24/23: Gaza 5791 dead, 16297 wounded, Israel 1405 dead, 5431 wounded.

Discoslugs@lemmy.world · 1 year ago

Causualties Israel-Palestine 10/24/23: Gaza 5791 dead, 16297 wounded, Israel 1405 dead, 5431 wounded.

Scrof@sopuli.xyz · 1 year ago

Aljazeera fails to mention that using civilian infrastructure as military installations is a warcrime and that those are legitimate war targets, therefore all those numbers are actually on Hamas and Islamic Jihad. Also huge doubt on the actual numbers themselves since it is, well, Aljazeera. Might as well listen to RT.

prole@sh.itjust.works · 1 year ago

Buddy, they live in an incredibly densely populated open-air prison. There’s no option of using “military infrastructure” when it’s incapable of existing in Gaza.

blewit@lemm.ee · edit-2 1 year ago

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Avid Amoeba@lemmy.ca · edit-2 1 year ago

I think what you fail to grasp is that for some people “it’s on Hamas” doesn’t change the the ethical calculus. It doesn’t diminish their feeling of empathy towards the victims and their families.

hh93@lemm.ee · 1 year ago

So what’s the alternative? Not pressure Hamas with rockets to free the hostages is probably not an option because of how diabolically they planned their bases of operations next to hospitals, schools or inside civilian buildings.

So Israel should try to go in with the army on foot and evacuate building by building by force? Sure that will be no problem especially given that Hamas will 100% pose as civilians during those raids and attack Israel from behind with all the tunnels underneath Gaza - so every soldier there would be extremely paranoid - no way that can go wrong.

Not doing anything and letting Hamas take hostages and kill thousands is not an option either - so calling for evacuation and then targeting legitimate targets by international law is the correct course of action even though I agree that it’s an extremely shitty situation for the civilians there.

At least the civilians killed by Israel are killed by accident and not fully intentional like Hamas is doing.

Everyone can agree that the civilians in Gaza are the poorest party in this but imho people fail to grasp the situation from different viewpoints and see it for how complex it is.

Avid Amoeba@lemmy.ca · edit-2 1 year ago

I don’t know what the alternatives are and nowhere in my comment did I weigh in one way or the other. I’m merely pointing out that “it’s on Hamas” is not doing anything for some/many. Israel is held to a higher standard than Hamas - a terrorist organization. It’s also held to a higher standard than mass war criming regimes like Russia.

TokenBoomer@lemmy.world · 1 year ago

Then stop commenting.

Hyperreality@kbin.social · edit-2 1 year ago

Also huge doubt on the actual numbers themselves since it is, well, Aljazeera. Might as well listen to RT.

Copy-paste:

Al Jazeera:

… Officials of Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas’ Fatah party … accused Al-Jazeera of bias toward Hamas (with which it is at political loggerheads), and Fatah official Mohammed Dahlan sued the broadcaster. … On 15 July of that year [2009], the Palestinian National Authority (PA) closed down Al Jazeera’s offices in the West Bank in an apparent response to claims made on the channel by Farouk Kaddoumi that PA president Mahmoud Abbas had been involved in the death of Yasser Arafat. The Palestinian Information Ministry called the organization’s coverage “unbalanced” and accused it of incitement against the PLO and the PA. … Al Jazeera reporters and anchors in London, Paris, Moscow, Beirut and Cairo have resigned. Ali Hashem, the organization’s Shia Beirut correspondent, resigned after leaked emails publicized his discontent with Al Jazeera’s “unprofessional” and biased coverage of the Syrian civil war at the expense of the 2011 Bahraini uprising. Since the Bahrain government was supported by the Gulf Cooperation Council (of which Qatar is a member), the protests were given less prominence than the Syrian conflict on the network. Longtime Berlin correspondent Aktham Suliman left in late 2012, saying that he felt he was no longer allowed to work as an independent journalist … Al Jazeera faced criticism from Bangladeshi human rights activists …accused of downplaying the 1971 Bangladesh genocide, in which Islamist militias assisted the Pakistan Army in targeting Bengalis … demanded a ban on Al Jazeera transmission within Bangladesh citing similar bans in Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Egypt, Jordan and the UAE.

… Critics say in past years, Al-Jazeera — particularly its flagship Arabic channel — has reflected Qatari policy by promoting Islamist movements. Many of the region’s Arab rulers, particularly in Egypt and the UAE, see the Muslim Brotherhood group and its offshoots as a top threat. … Al-Jazeera’s English and Arabic channels, as well as its news websites and its popular online AJ+ videos, do not mirror one another in style and target different audiences.

And:

Qatar’s dalliance with Islamist groups has long been the primary means for Doha to project influence in the Arab world, particularly through state support for Al Jazeera Arabic. After 2011, Qatar came to believe, and Al Jazeera Arabic confidently predicted, that a wave of Islamist governance would sweep in with new Arab democracies. Instead, the elected Brotherhood government in Egypt proved even more unpopular than the Hosni Mubarak dictatorship … With the Brotherhood’s decline in prestige and power, Qatar’s bet has yielded precious few returns. And now Hamas’s disastrous rebranding in Western eyes could well force a reckoning with Doha’s irresponsible strategy.

Causualties Israel-Palestine 10/24/23: Gaza 5791 dead, 16297 wounded, Israel 1405 dead, 5431 wounded.

Causualties Israel-Palestine 10/24/23: Gaza 5791 dead, 16297 wounded, Israel 1405 dead, 5431 wounded.

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