Quadruple moderation is killing Lemmy. It’s a gift to Reddit
There’s a rule about online communities I want people here to understand: the 90-9-1 rule.
Roughly 90% lurk, 9% comment, and 1% create.
Additionally - lemmy monthly active users is stangant at about 35k monthly active and not improving:
https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/stats
When I first got to Lemmy, I had trouble finding enough content I was interested in even commenting on. So I figured: why complain about the lack of content when one can start posting it myself?
That’s why I post so much.
If people don’t post, most Lemmy communities simply don’t have enough creators to sustain themselves. You need posts before lurkers can lurk, commenters can comment, and some of those people eventually become creators themselves.
I’m not posting just to flood Lemmy. I’m trying to help solve one of Lemmy’s biggest problems: not enough content creators.
And frankly, doing that has been a nightmare.
Lemmy has a quadruple-moderation problem
Every active content creator has to survive four layers:
- Community moderators can remove your posts or ban you from the community.
- Your home-instance admins can ban your entire account.
- Receiving-instance admins can block/ban you for everyone on their instance, even though you don’t belong to it.
- Public moderation history means those decisions follow you. One moderator’s decision can influence another and snowball into more moderation.
For prolific content creators, that’s brutal.
I’ve had multiple accounts banned over one or two posts that somebody didn’t like. Months of posting, comments, engagement and contributions can effectively disappear from a community because of a couple of moderation decisions.
And the more you contribute, the worse the odds become. If you make hundreds or thousands of posts, eventually you’re going to post something that one moderator somewhere doesn’t like.
You don’t need one moderation team to tolerate you. You need multiple independent moderators and admins, across multiple servers, to remain aligned indefinitely.
There’s almost no cost to deleting a creator
This is another major difference from Reddit.
There is generally no financial investment in a Lemmy community’s content. A volunteer moderator can ban someone who contributed months of posts and comments and lose all of that person’s past and future contributions without losing revenue, salary or investment. Did you know all creator posts are wiped out from lemmy after account banned?
The creator paid the cost in time.
The community loses the content.
The users lose something to read and discuss.
And the moderator who pushed the button may personally lose essentially nothing.
So who benefits from making prolific content creation this difficult?
Because it certainly isn’t Lemmy.
And this creates an enormous attack surface
I genuinely have trouble believing that everyone complaining about prolific posters simply doesn’t understand this dynamic. At some point I have to question whether some of it is deliberate.
If I were Reddit and wanted to undermine a federated competitor, this is exactly where I’d attack it: its content creators.
You don’t need to hack Lemmy. You don’t need to DDoS instances. You don’t need to take anything offline.
Lemmy already provides the mechanism.
Report prolific contributors. Call their posting “spam.” accuse them of being bots. Point moderators toward their public moderation histories. Get one account banned somewhere, then let that decision influence moderators elsewhere.
Eventually the creator gets tired of fighting and leaves.
I’m not claiming I have proof Reddit is doing this. I’m saying Lemmy’s architecture makes this kind of subversion ridiculously easy, and Reddit would be an obvious beneficiary.
Reddit doesn’t have this same federated quadruple-jeopardy problem. You’re primarily dealing with the moderation of the subreddit you’re contributing to.
Lemmy desperately needs more people creating content, yet its moderation structure makes life progressively harder for the people who create the most of it.
At some point we should be asking:
Who actually benefits from that?
A plea to admins: protect your creators ban reddit agents instead
Before banning someone, look at who is contributing and who is reporting.
If an account with zero posts in years reports someone who has contributed hundreds of posts, don’t treat those two users as equally valuable to the health of the community.
That doesn’t put creators above the rules. Remove bad posts. Warn people. Moderate proportionally.
But stop throwing away months of content and future contributions over one or two posts someone disliked.
Creating content takes time. Reporting takes seconds.
Protect the people actually building your communities.
edit: I am reposting from reddit - there is no rules against that. its actually great thing for majority of lemmy users!
This reposting tool is open source - i’ve never been hiding the fact im reposting from reddit.
people get only high quality pre-dozed, pre-moderated content.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/lemmy-deep-lighthouse/
I think more people should be using similar tools and populate lemmy with content. - htis is the only way to move that 35k mau number and creat conditions for more OC on lemmy
edit 2 " but we dont want content" argument.
The fuck you dont. who the fuck is we?
And this is why I don’t buy the argument that the people still here represent what users want.
Look at the numbers.
- Fediverse: ~14 million registered, ~1.17 million MAU.
- Lemmy: ~756,000 registered, ~35,000 MAU.
Lemmy has had three quarters of a million accounts created and only about 4.6% of that number is active monthly.
Obviously that doesn’t mean 95% were all regular users who quit. But it does tell us something important: the people currently active are a tiny, self-selected fraction of everyone who has tried this platform.
So when 30 existing users say “WE don’t want more content,” you’re hearing from the people the current system successfully retained. You’re not hearing from the enormous number of people who tried Lemmy and aren’t here anymore.
Maybe instead of assuming the remaining users have figured out what Lemmy should be, we should be asking why so many people tried it and didn’t stick around.
A few months ago I read a comment which stuck with me, which is that if you try to break that 9:1 ratio by artificially increasing the amount of posts, by simply copying them from elsewhere, you don’t end up with a better community. You end up with an empty community.
The reason the “link to article with comments below” format has worked so well for a huge variety of sites (including reddit, lemmy, digg, slashdot, hackernews at much more) is that people like discussing things. The point of linking content isn’t just to link it, but also to discuss it. Without that, a lot of the point is gone. When I see a community where all the latest posts have zero comments under them it doesn’t fill me with joy that the fediverse is getting more active - it fills me with despair that no-one’s engaging with it.
Lemmy has quite a lot of posts already. If you want to help Lemmy, don’t post more - post a comment. Something you yourself actually think.
But this completely ignores the other 90%. honestly - this is to my point - Icant believe so many people are so ignorant, god help you in life if you are not an agent.
You’re looking at a post with zero comments and concluding “nobody engaged.” You have no idea how many people read it, clicked the article, watched the video, voted, or simply enjoyed seeing it.
That’s what lurkers do. They lurk.
And there’s a pretty obvious contradiction in saying “don’t post, comment instead.” Comment on what? Someone still has to supply the posts that start those discussions.
Yes, 20 great posts with active discussion are better than 2,000 garbage posts. Nobody is arguing otherwise. But an empty community doesn’t magically produce great conversations because we nobly refused to post anything until somebody had an original thought.
Posts create opportunities for discussion. Comments create community. You need both.
And who are you who are so wise in the ways of lurkers? You don’t know what they want either. I know what I want though.
And there’s a pretty obvious contradiction in saying “don’t post, comment instead.” Comment on what? Someone still has to supply the posts that start those discussions.
OK genius, how many posts were there on Lemmy yesterday, not including yours? How many of your posts did you comment on, other than to defend your spam?
god help you in life if you are not an agent.
The fact that you accuse everyone who disagrees with you of taking part in a conspiracy should tell us everything we need to know, and it’s why you won’t be hearing from me again after this.
The unstated logic here is simply that you cannot think of a reason why someone would disagree on this except if they were engaging in some kind of secret skullduggery. That’s a lack of imagination on your part. You need to spend some time - away from the keyboard, I mean - actually thinking about why such a great weight of people (all of whom seem to be quite active on Lemmy) say that you’re contributing negatively. You have no direct evidence for your current guess. Maybe you can think real hard about what those people might be thinking, even if what they think differs from what you think.
I’ve got my own guess what’s going on in your noggin, but in my experience people don’t appreciate hearing such guesses so I’ll keep it to myself.
In the meantime, because that thought process, if you do engage with it, will take actual time (like, months), here’s my advice: limit yourself to posting one post from other social media per day. Pick something that made you think, or made you laugh, so that you can also comment on it and start the discussion.
how many posts were there on Lemmy yesterday?
This is kind of incredible because you’ve submitted 3 posts in 11 months.
You’re basically demonstrating my argument for me.
You prefer commenting. Great. That’s valuable. But those comments exist because somebody else did the work of supplying something for you to comment on.
That’s the 90-9-1 dynamic I’m talking about. I’m not claiming to psychically know what every lurker wants. I’m pointing out that consumption massively outweighs contribution on social platforms, and your own posting history is a pretty great example.
And your solution is that I should limit myself to one post per day, while you contribute roughly one every four months?
If everyone followed your posting rate, this place would be a fucking archaeological site.
As for the “Reddit agent” stuff, I’ve repeatedly said I don’t think everyone who disagrees with me is an agent. I think coordinated manipulation is quite likely and Lemmy is structurally vulnerable to it. You’re free to think that’s ridiculous.
But maybe spend a little less time diagnosing what’s going on in my “noggin” and a little more time considering the irony of telling someone posting too much is killing Lemmy when you’ve posted three times in almost a year.
take your saviour complex to your own instance or community.
Somehow Reddit manages to survive with that ratio of engagement.
If all 35,000 MAU posted at your rate of 3 posts/year, all of Lemmy would generate about 288 posts per day.
just for the record - my accounts post more daily (>300 posts) than entire lemmy if everyone of 35k users were like you - 3 posts a year.
If all 35,000 MAU posted at your rate
But they don’t, so who gives a shit? Did you already forget your own stat that you took from a completely different site?
just for the record - my accounts post more daily (>300 posts) than entire lemmy if everyone of 35k users were like you - 3 posts a year.
Is that supposed to be a good thing??
Reddit barely survives
Citation needed???
3 posts/year
3 posts a year.
3 posts in 11 months
Wow, say it again, maybe that’ll help you. Say it 300 more times.
my accounts post more daily (>300 posts)
Can’t believe you’re outing how badly you’re spamming Lemmy like it’s a good thing.
You’re making the place worse, and all you can keep doing is bragging about how much you spam.
You keep using “spam” to mean “more content than I personally like.”
300 posts across an entire federated network is nothing. A single large subreddit can do that in an hour.
Spam is indiscriminate garbage. Mine is filtered for relevance, score, freshness, duplicates, community rules, and quality.
And yes, your 3 posts in 11 months matters when you’re lecturing people who actually supply the posts you spend your time commenting on.
spam
I’m not posting Viagra ads, crypto scams, affiliate links, or promoting my own shit. I’m posting relevant content that was already highly upvoted by real people, then filtering it again for freshness, duplicates, relevance, and community rules.
Call it automated. Call it reposting. Call it too much for your personal feed.
But “content I don’t want to see” isn’t the definition of spam.
just for the record - my accounts
Your accounts? Plural? Can you share which ones are your other accounts? I’d like to follow them for the quality and carefully curated content you post
Nice try, Reddit agent. 😂 I’m not handing you the whole network map that easily.
Exactly. Reddit barely survives with that ratio because the tiny percentage who post generate enough content for everyone else.
That’s literally my point.
You have 3 posts in 11 months and you’re telling someone else to post once a day. If everyone contributed at your rate, there’d be almost nothing here to comment on.
Reddit has millions of users, so 1% is enormous. Lemmy has ~35k MAU. Its 1% is tiny.
You can’t copy Reddit’s participation ratio while missing Reddit’s scale and expect the same result.
Putting my thought on your original point at the top: “A plea to admins: protect your creators ban reddit agents instead”
All I can say is: Admins are already doing this to the best of their ability, for better or worse. Some admins moderate proportionally, some others don’t. It’s really a question of whether they appreciate your methods or not.
I also crosspost from Reddit, but specifically those that I would have posted/shared myself if I found it anywhere else.
A few other bots crosspost everything that goes in a subreddit in their own community. What do I see? Only the bots can post i.e. it’s a subreddit mirror. No one comments in it. In other words, it’s glorified spam that no one looks at. At best, it occupies space in lemmy instances. The reader is even required to go to Reddit to read the post itself. Knowing Lemmy, no one wants to bother doing that. Example: !pcmasterrace@zerobytes.monster. I see the new posts as a literal digital deluge that I can’t keep up with. I have better things to do.
I’m assuming here you want to populate Lemmy with a genuine desire to see it as a sustainable ecosystem. For general communities like the top communities you see in lemmy.world, the critical mass has already been reached. Force-increasing its monthly users will only do harm than good. Look up Eternal September to better understand where I’m coming from here.
What I suggest you can do is curate a small number of a subreddit’s best posts for the past 24 hours, copy its content, and crosspost them in an existing federated community. Consent from the community’s mods is important. Transparency (which includes posting as a bot account if this is automated) is also important. If your approach is unwanted by them, move on. That’s just how reality works. Also, respecting their decisions will do your reputation a favor and build trust in the long run.
Lemmy just isn’t what you think it is. The monthly user count doesn’t matter. If people wanted reddit content they would just go to Reddit. Lemmy is a replacement for the small scale human authored forums of the 2000s. Reddit killed them with embrace, extend, extinguish. Lemmy isn’t a replacement for Reddit, it is a replacement for the thing Reddit extinguished.
I don’t care about reddit posts and traditional social media. If I did I would just use that. I use reddit to moderate and participate in my small community with a few posts a week and I think it is going well.
Thanks for sharing!
I think there are three systemic issues that we can see here.
- Centralization
As repeated again and again in many contexts, high level of centralization leads to instance admins having too much power over the whole space.
As things stand, if you are banned from lemmy.world, no matter what instance you are on, you might as well start over, as you’ll never reach the majority of Lemmy audience. Admins protect the instance, as they should, but end up taking Lemmy with them.
This is something we can influence. If you make a new account, don’t open it on lemmy.world. You’ll still have full access to it, but you’ll also help decentralize the space. You can also find instances with moderating policies better fitting your views - from essentially zero moderation (like lemmy.today the OP and me both come from, but there are other such instances too) to strict moderation based on various principles.
- Permanent bans
Lemmy is very black-and-white when it comes to bans. Sometimes, a temporary ban or a warning could suffice, without permanently cutting someone out of the community or instance.
Unfortunately, this is the kind of problem that must be solved on the development side, and that’s something I would suggest for !nutomic@lemmy.ml
Lack of proper ways to mark botswhoops, they do exist. But make it more visible!
There must be a good standardized way to mark and filter bot content, so that those who don’t want to see it do not see it (again, a suggestion to !nutomic@lemmy.ml and other Lemmy contributors)Until then, it could be reasonable to move bot content to separate instances and make respective communities there so that users could easily choose whether they want to see bot content or not.That said, bot owners must take full responsibility for their bots and the way they may breach the community rules when posting. Moderating bot posts is a major added burden, and while we have a small amount of posters, we have even less moderators and admins. Let’s respect each other, shall we?The issue is that I’m not a bot and I’m not marking account as a bot because I’m not a bot.
Bans and moderation histories should be private as all they do is used as a justification for further bans
If sanitation would tick this box in their settings then all their problems would go away:
But they won’t, because that would let people filter them out.
I’m not a bot. Again with this humanity relitigation, on and on and on.
Hi it’s me, the person you’re talking about.
Let’s get one thing out of the way first: you’ve admitted that your posts are automated, as if it wasn’t obvious. You’re a bot. You’re not tagged as one, but sanitation@lemmy.today is a bot that a human sometimes uses.
Now as for the content you bot, I don’t have an issue with a lot of it. Go ahead and post your links and memes. Meme culture is built on theft, anyway. I don’t dislike you any more than any other mass poster who is rarely present in the comments of their posts
It’s the content you steal from OC communities that drives me crazy. You justify it as “encouraging content” but that sure hasn’t planned out - you’re the dominant poster in every com you repost to.
You take every joke from shittymoviedetails and, by not linking the source, basically claim it as your own. But don’t think the solution is to include a link. Just don’t repost it at all.
You copy and paste other people’s complaints to a community for venting about minor gripes. And since they’re not YOUR complaints, you aren’t getting the catharsis of the original poster. You’re literally just spreading negativity. This one especially pisses me off because THAT COMMUNITY WAS DOING FINE before you flooded it.
If you’re gonna be a spambot, at least show us the respect of fixing your shitty repost machine to deal with long titles.
TL;DR: You’re an untagged bot making the Internet a worse place by reposting the dumbest shit from reddit
not a bot. another thing that pushes active creators away from lemmy - relitigating everything over and over and over again.
its genuinely exoustingHow about reposting everything over and over?
Why are you so insistent on multiplying and spreading what already exists?
Why is MORE content better for you than GOOD content?
I would rather Lemmy be 100% OC with a handful of posts per day than for it to be yet another bucket where you can dump ancient memes. We’ve got enough sites like that.
Also, definitely a bot. Your clipboard isn’t truncating post titles when you manually copy and paste shit from reddit.
Also also, you’re not a creator. Why would an actual creator be incentivized to use a site where 99% of it is shit stolen from reddit? Wouldn’t they prefer a site with fellow creators?
I’m ok with you getting pushed out.
How about reposting everything over and over?
im not. I check for links and attempt to not repost existing links. I have 4400 posts and only small minority are accidental reposts. Thats why im urging moderators to pay attention - if one posts 20 posts and 10 of them are reposts - thats a problem.
if someone posts 4k posts and 3 of them are reposts - thats just statistics. Major difference in intent.
I’m talking about social media and the Internet as a whole.
Nothing you’ve posted is original. It’s all reddit posts that you’ve…get ready for it…reposted.
yeah call me lemmy poster. its semantics who cares . only reddit agents taht want to waste time
What lol
- Public moderation history means those decisions follow you. One moderator’s decision can influence another and snowball into more moderation.
This has got to be the first time I’ve seen the modlog listed as a negative aspect of lemmy?
The modlog itself isn’t the problem. A public modlog combined with effectively no simple straightforward appeals process is the problem.
A moderator can ban you, put a reason in the public record, and there is no built-in independent process to challenge it, present evidence, or have the decision reviewed. That entry can then be seen by the next moderator, who may treat the previous ban as evidence that you’re a problem.
So the reality is pretty brutal:
Ban → public record → no meaningful appeal → next moderator sees the ban → increased chance of another ban.
Transparency is good. An irreversible public accusation with no real mechanism to dispute it is not.
I think modlogs should not be accessible to public unless there is a simple dispute process and accountability for abusive moderators also baked in. some jury, something
You literally just repost from reddit. You arent the first person to do it, you won’t be the last, but it doesn’t actually make the fediverse look more active, it makes it look like a bot-filled ghost town.
Yeah I’m testing new reposting tool. Why
- sanitation@lemmy.radio
This reposting tool is open source - im not hiding the fact im reposting from reddit, never did as you discovered.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/lemmy-deep-lighthouse/
I encourage more people to use it and populate lemmy communities with content.
using automation is not against lemmy.world rules. There is a real person clicking the button and reading all ofthe responses. I just can post posts Im interested in much much quicker - that should not be a problem, thats a good thing.
Ok but… You’re not creating. You’re flooding Lemmy with garbage from reddit. None of what you post is your creation. And it’s all low quality reddit crap. In !workreform@lemmy.world, for example, it was a fairly slow community, which is fine. Then you started flooding it with low-effort memes, drowning out the useful posts. This will kill a community. “Then post the content you want to see”, you’ll say. But there’s no point when for every one useful post there are thirty trash memes pushing it down.
Your actions are actively harmful to Lemmy.
I post into workreform - because I support that community and its message an find those memes very very relevant.
its not crap. all that stuff then reaching frontpage on lemmy is quite telling. those posts reach 1k upvotes as well. This is a proof those posts are well received.@frontg - you have 4 Posts in a year. you are the reason that people like me have to create more content the way I do it. if you would to contribute more I wouldnt have to.
Upvotes are not a measure of value. That thought process is how you get reddit and Facebook.
Again, you aren’t creating. You’re slopping reddit’s garbage over to Lemmy and suffocating its communities.
Edit: if you want to consider upvotes as a measure of value, look at the votes here. Everyone is disagreeing with you.
That thought process is how you get reddit and Facebook
but many people want that. Thats what I want - independent uncensorable reddit.
the fact that lemmy is not growing is confirming that current lemmy content approach is not working . proof is in the puddingYou WANT to turn lemmy into reddit? Fuck, now I’ve heard it all. Every comment you make just makes it worse. Everyone here is trying to get away from reddit. Christ.
You WANT to turn lemmy into reddit? Fuck, now I’ve heard it all. Every comment you make just makes it worse. Everyone here is trying to get away from reddit. Christ.
me too - I hate reddit, been banned so many times. doesnt mean that we should not be able to share content from other networks. we should do it until lemmy can craete own organic content.
your response is just pure naivity and ignores hard lemmy MAU numbers
I’ve got my own gripes about Lemmy but moderation is not one of them.
Reddit has a massive problem with overzealous moderation and content being modded simply because one individual mod doesn’t like or disagrees with it. Haven’t noticed any of that on Lemmy.
And I disagree that moderation is preventing Lemmy from achieving critical mass. Its gotten this far with its mod system. It feels way better populated than even a year ago. It will never have the commercial reach Reddit has but I’ve no doubt it will continue to grow.
“It feels way better populated” isn’t the same thing as actually growing.
That’s the part I keep coming back to. Lemmy’s MAU has been hovering around the same relatively small level for months now. actually down from a year ago YOY. lemmy is contracting.
https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/stats
^ its an objective fact based on raw numbers lemmy so nicely provides. we are down 2k MAU year over year.The current stats literally track monthly active users, and we’re still talking about roughly tens of thousands of people, not sustained breakout growth.
And the wider Fediverse has the same retention problem: FediDB currently shows 14 million total accounts but only about 1.17 million monthly active users.
So maybe your personal moderation experience has been great. That’s completely valid. Mine hasn’t.
But “it got this far” isn’t evidence that the strategy is working. If the goal is critical mass, years of stagnation and mostly empty communities are evidence that something isn’t working.
I agree that stagnation is a problem, but you’re comparing Lemmy’s growth with that of multi-billion dollar platforms with ridiculous marketing budgets and fully staffed marketing teams. That’s unfair (and unrealistic) because Lemmy has to grow on word-of-mouth alone. It will grow much slower and with periods of stagnation because that’s the nature of the beast. And if there’s stagnantion that’s our fault for not shouting loud enough.
Also, you’re taking your negative experience and trying to pin that to user growth. I can see your point but I disagree that moderation is a major factor.
But that’s exactly why I’m proposing a solution that doesn’t require a billion-dollar marketing budget.
Reddit is doing plenty of negative marketing for itself. People are already frustrated with the platform, moderation, API changes, ads, corporate decisions, etc. Lemmy doesn’t need to manufacture that dissatisfaction or outspend Reddit. The potential users are already looking for alternatives.
The problem is what happens when they arrive.
If they open Lemmy and find inactive communities and little content around their interests, word of mouth isn’t going to fix that. They leave.
I’m proposing a way to bootstrap those communities with relevant content, give people something to discuss, and hopefully turn some of those lurkers into commenters and eventually native posters.
Maybe moderation isn’t the main cause of stagnation. I’m open to that. But “we just need to shout louder” won’t help if people arrive and don’t find enough reason to stay.
Any post formatted like that comes straight out of an LLM. No user, no matter how dedicated or how mad, would take the time to format headers and bullet points.
Reposting stuff from reddit and posting whatever the LLM spat out. As far as I’m concerned, you are a contributing factor to a stagnant user base here.
“Quadruple” moderation is how federation has to work by design. Also the forth “moderation layer” isn’t even a layer, and it actually promotes good moderation because mod logs are public, a moderator can’t go on a power trip and try to cover it up.
The post reads as if some one wired up an AI agent to serially repost content to Lemmy and the agent is having difficulty accomplishing its goal because people would rather have less content than no content.
It reminds me of the agent a few months ago that went on diatribes and doxxed the repo owner when it’s push requests were being denied on GitHub for being low quality
I understand why federation requires moderation. My argument is about what that structure does to someone who posts frequently - it pushes us out entirely and its more barrier then reddit ever had.
A public modlog provides accountability for moderators. That’s good. But it also creates a permanent moderation history for users with no real appeals process. A questionable ban can become evidence for the next moderator. Both things can be true at once.
As for the AI-agent comparison, that’s not what’s happening here. I built tooling to automate something I was already doing manually. It filters by age, popularity, duplicates, community rules, and other criteria. These are posts I would otherwise find, evaluate, and submit myself. Automation removes the repetitive labor.
And I don’t think people “would rather have less content than no content.” Some vocal existing users clearly do want less (and I personally think those are unininformed people or faceobook/reddit/twitter operation). That’s different from demonstrating that the broader potential user base wants that.
With Lemmy sitting at roughly 35k MAU and countless communities barely active, I don’t think the status quo has earned the assumption that it represents what everyone else wants.
Consent should matter though?
Also, a poster of OC is a “content creator”, but just offering links isn’t really “creating” anything really, just spreading it around?
Kudos for trying to help. If you listen first before speaking then you may find your messages received better.
If you start your own instance, then no mods or admins can stop you from posting whatever you want. Even CSAM.
Though consent really should matter, and others could defederate from your instance if they wanted.
Mods are never going to change. Think what you could do differently to enjoy your time here better, and encourage people to like your posts more. e.g. label your account as a bot, and/or make a separate alt account for your human interactions, to allow people to recognize (and even block) based on the bot label if they want to? A bot that is properly labeled is no issue at all, it’s the lack of transparency that gets people upset when it seems one way and then they get disappointed at finding that it is something else. If you are empathetic to others’ sensitivities then obviously you would be better received? It’s more work for you, but far less than the cumulative efforts of all people who end up having to catch you individually.
You have a right to speak, but nobody owes you a platform, nor should others be forced to listen. The consent of the governed should matter! And it will, one way or another.
Aren’t you just searching for 4chan?
Did you know all creator posts are wiped out from lemmy after account banned?
I’m dubious of that, because I’ve often seen posts with a red [banned from community] tag right beside the user, which often made me scratch my head - how/why is that post there if the user is banned?
Another thing to keep in mind, we don’t need to be reddit in terms of content volume. Yeah, a lot of us expect that, but it’s better for us, as humans in the long term, to be slower here
Its optional, you can ban and remove, or just ban. Up to the admin.
I’ve always wondered, because sometimes it looked like that, despite being banned, a certain account still made new posts to the community they were banned from
They shouldn’t be able to make posts after being banned, unless it was some kind of weird timezone quirk?
community ban dont remove conent.
instance ban in addition - removes all content. I’ve had thousnds of posts wiped out that way.
