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      The National Guard is not well regulated? Im gonna wager your definition of well regulated is a body in which nothing bad ever happens, which is not what well regulated means, that’s called perfection.

      If the national guard isnt considered well regulated then nothing is, and clearly the writers of the bill didnt intend for ‘well regulated’ to be an impossible standard. So if well regulated is going to mean something it didnt mean from the authors then that phrase no longer has bearing on the right, and shockingly enough the US Judicial system agrees with and upheld that.

      This was a shooting by a member of a well regulated milita. That phrase or organization structure is not a magic spell that stops crime. The authors would have written ‘crime free’ instead of well regulated if that’s what they meant.

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        If a memeber of said Militia can spend 2 weeks in a psychiatric ward for hearing voices in his head telling him to shoot up the said Militia he is a part of and still keep the means to carry out the will of said voices it isn’t well-regulated, sorry not sorry. The term Well-Regulated doesnt automatically mean it is going to be regulated.

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          Here’s the thing though:

          can spend 2 weeks in a psychiatric ward for hearing voices in his head telling him to shoot up the said Militia

          They can’t, it is already a federal law that people who are IVC’d (this guy) are prohibited purchasers and they are supposed to take the guns and input that into NICs, but someone didn’t do their fucking job. Has nothing to do with the weekend warrior militia branch of the US military either, that applies to everyone, federally, as it is a federal law.

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          Between active and reservists there are well over one million national guard memebers. The crimes of one of them hardly imply that the regulation is not good. Mistakes are possible, and considering he was let out of the psych hospital is it impossible to think the mistake even could have come from the profit driven org who makes the absolute thinniest proft margins from mental health care? What about the police, did they not also drop the ball, they could have seen this coming, this person was known publicly for his gun lust and extremism. Or is all the blame only on the one orginazation that makes your opinions the most correct looking?

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            There is plenty of blame to go around, the problem is systemic. Putting the blame on one institution makes it a scapegoat, we need publicly funded mental health care as much as we need gun control.

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        If the national guard isnt considered well regulated then nothing is

        Ignoring the fact that this is obviously a false dichotomy… Have you ever served in the guard or active duty military? The guard especially from certain states, is usually known for being an unorganized shit show. Active duty has its obvious issues, but they also have a lot more control over their personnel, including who they keep and promote.

        In the guard, as long as you show up for roll call and pass your test you’re pretty much promoted until you want to leave. Which is why the last few military pr blunders were committed by officers or NCO in the reserves.

        I doubt you would find many people who served in the reserves that would claim they were well organized or well regulated.