I know people who are left leaning democrats and they’re for gun control. But gun control doesn’t solve the problem entirely.
The problem is the entire culture around guns and toxic ‘me and my gun and my truck’ self sufficiency culture in the US and the lack of a social net.
Yes it is. I was downvoted to shit last time I said we should have the mandatory 10 days waiting period and background checks. Had nothing but what ifs.
People treating firearms as fuckin toys should be banned. Your firearm was on unattended and your child killed himself or an other person? Straight to jail. Fuckin hate that people have lost the respect of the tool they are using.
So what you’re telling me is you and no one you know ever plans for an event more than a week and a half in the future? No wonder you can’t see how dumb this shit is.
If that stops even just 1% of murders then that’s actually great.
Well it’ll stop even less than that. Mass shooters plan for months, the law isn’t intended for that. It is meant to stop “crimes of passion” (read: killing your wife), but all that would happen is they prevent this time (or he goes all Chris Benoit), then he picks up his gun 10 days later, and next time he’s in a wife killin’ mood he’s all prepared.
In fact, statistically, according to the ATF, average “Time to crime” of a firearm (time from purchase to when it ends up involved at a crime scene) is 11 years. That’s a bit longer than 10 days.
10 days is more than 0. Is that maths too hard for you? a 0 day waiting time would stop NOTHING. 10 days would at least stop spur of the moment killings. Is that not worth something?
What would you prefer:
- A higher number of killings
- A lower number of killings
If your standard is 0 killings, you’ll agree with nothing, because nothing will get it to 0.
So you don’t care that instead of killing his wife on the first of the month, he kills her on the tenth? Sure solved a lot there. Simply killing someone 9 days later than origionally intended is somehow lowering the number of killings? And no mention of average time to crime being eleven whole years? Again I posit that 11 years is longer than 10 days, there are 410.5 “10 days” stretches in 11yrs, by the time that first gun typically shows up in crime he could have 410 guns and be 5 days from his 411th.
So, you’re in favour of 11 year wait times?
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Sounds more like asshole culture
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100% will use the term Terrorist Mass Shooter from now on.
Fixed it
Was the man not in the national guard? Seems he was exactly a part of a well regulated militia. That doesn’t just automatically stop gun crime.
That’s the point. It isn’t well-regulated.
The National Guard is not well regulated? Im gonna wager your definition of well regulated is a body in which nothing bad ever happens, which is not what well regulated means, that’s called perfection.
If the national guard isnt considered well regulated then nothing is, and clearly the writers of the bill didnt intend for ‘well regulated’ to be an impossible standard. So if well regulated is going to mean something it didnt mean from the authors then that phrase no longer has bearing on the right, and shockingly enough the US Judicial system agrees with and upheld that.
This was a shooting by a member of a well regulated milita. That phrase or organization structure is not a magic spell that stops crime. The authors would have written ‘crime free’ instead of well regulated if that’s what they meant.
If a memeber of said Militia can spend 2 weeks in a psychiatric ward for hearing voices in his head telling him to shoot up the said Militia he is a part of and still keep the means to carry out the will of said voices it isn’t well-regulated, sorry not sorry. The term Well-Regulated doesnt automatically mean it is going to be regulated.
Here’s the thing though:
can spend 2 weeks in a psychiatric ward for hearing voices in his head telling him to shoot up the said Militia
They can’t, it is already a federal law that people who are IVC’d (this guy) are prohibited purchasers and they are supposed to take the guns and input that into NICs, but someone didn’t do their fucking job. Has nothing to do with the weekend warrior
militiabranch of the US military either, that applies to everyone, federally, as it is a federal law.Between active and reservists there are well over one million national guard memebers. The crimes of one of them hardly imply that the regulation is not good. Mistakes are possible, and considering he was let out of the psych hospital is it impossible to think the mistake even could have come from the profit driven org who makes the absolute thinniest proft margins from mental health care? What about the police, did they not also drop the ball, they could have seen this coming, this person was known publicly for his gun lust and extremism. Or is all the blame only on the one orginazation that makes your opinions the most correct looking?
There is plenty of blame to go around, the problem is systemic. Putting the blame on one institution makes it a scapegoat, we need publicly funded mental health care as much as we need gun control.
If the national guard isnt considered well regulated then nothing is
Ignoring the fact that this is obviously a false dichotomy… Have you ever served in the guard or active duty military? The guard especially from certain states, is usually known for being an unorganized shit show. Active duty has its obvious issues, but they also have a lot more control over their personnel, including who they keep and promote.
In the guard, as long as you show up for roll call and pass your test you’re pretty much promoted until you want to leave. Which is why the last few military pr blunders were committed by officers or NCO in the reserves.
I doubt you would find many people who served in the reserves that would claim they were well organized or well regulated.
Funny, both you lose the intended scope of the second anyways. It has nothing to do with crime.
He was in a militia, but ok
No shit Sherlock
Totally reasonable response lmao
whoosh (That’s the point going over your head)
Great chat.
Lol I’m not gonna explain the meme over and over cause you are too lazy to scroll
Bro, its your stupid meme lmao
The point is that it isn’t well regulated… .
memes r hard bro
But was it well regulated?
Never said he wasn’t.
*terrorist
The terror is stochastic the lone wolf mass shooter is the terror metastasized. Lone Wolf Mass Shooter and Terrorist are synonyms.
I’m looking to learn here, so please forgive me about this, but I had heard something about there being multiple shooters involved. Something about two middle Eastern looking men and a maroon car. It was like a police dispatch audio, but with little context and no sources. My Google-fu is failing me at the moment. Can someone help educate me on this?
It is the result of an unarmed society. The only weapon deployed against this guy was a butcher knife, and predictably it didn’t work.
You’re just uvalding the question. I mean evading.
Maine is a state where almost half the households have guns. I don’t think opponents of the second amendment are going to find a lot of support there even after yesterday’s mass shooting.
People advocating for gun control arent opponents of the 2nd amendment…
People advocating for gun control aren’t necessarily opponents of the 2nd amendment, but people talking about well-regulated militias usually are. What’s the point of bringing up that strange phrase unless you don’t think that the 2nd amendment’s right to bear arms applies to everyone regardless of membership in some sort of militia?
Well, the way it’s written and how some people frame the argument, yeah they should have to be in a militia.
2nd amendment doesn’t talk about private ownership of weapons.
That’s not an unreasonable reading of the text, but if you’re going to look at the Constitution that way, you’ll see that it doesn’t talk about abortion or gay marriage either. I’m in favor of abortion rights and gay marriage, and that’s why I don’t start “but the Constitution doesn’t literally say…” arguments with conservatives.
Actually the way that it is written, “the militia” is the reason that “the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”
Put it another way:
A well balanced breakfast, being necessary to the start of a healthy day, the right of the people to keep and eat food shall not be infringed.
From this it is clear, “a well balanced breakfast” doesn’t have the right to “keep and eat food,” “the people” do, because “breakfast is important.”
