US rapper Kanye West cannot hold shows in Russia due to his glorification of Nazism, the country’s Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova has said
Non aggression pacts are not the same as allying with the Nazis. The non aggression pact was necessary to delay the inevitable long enough to industrialise and build up a force to fight the Nazis largely alone as the western powers had continuously refused to form an anti nazi pact since 1933. The soviets were also the last major power to sign a non aggression pact with the Nazis. The USSR broke the nazi beast took the majority of the casualties and killed the majority of the Nazis.
The USSR spent years trying to build an anti-Nazi alliance. 1933 they proposed collective security at the League of Nations. 1935 they signed mutual defense pacts with France and Czechoslovakia. Spring 1939 they sat in Moscow for months begging Britain and France for a real triple alliance. The West stalled. Refused to guarantee the Baltics. Refused to let the Red Army cross Poland to actually fight Hitler. Poland’s elite, more scared of workers than of Nazis, said no too and instead joined Hitler in attacking Czechoslovakia. The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact happened because liberals handed Hitler Eastern Europe rather than work with the soviets.
When Soviet troops entered eastern Poland September 17 1939, the Polish state had already collapsed. Government fled to Romania September 15. Warsaw was burning. The army was broken. The lands the USSR moved into? Not Poland proper. Territories Poland had seized and occupied by force during the interwar period of 1919-1921 from Belarus, Ukraine, and Lithuania. Moving in to secure this land also saved millions from extermination.
Out of curiosity would you have preferred the soviets cede all of Poland and it’s occupied territory to Nazis such that they could be exterminated?
and felt really betrayed when the Nazis attacked them later.
I’ve seen this nonsense multiple times I don’t know where it comes from but it’s so clearly untrue to anyone with even a passing understanding of the movement of the soviets from 1933, moving factories beyond the Urals, moving into a war economy, attempting over and over to get Europe to see the danger of the Nazis and do something.
Source that wouldn’t make a history teacher cry, recant, or ban? (It’ll be a ban if I see you continuing to post on your account before addressing this)
The Soviets saved a lot of polish people by taking them in after Nazi Germany invaded. What I can take from your posts, is that you’re an extremely salty fascist who got mad that the USSR liberated Europe from Nazi Germany and you would never, ever forgive them for that.
Which somehow a lot of countries are tripping over these days.
Europe and America were never better than the Nazis. The Nazis are special because they did to ostensibly “white people” what Europeans and American had done and continue to do to people of the global south for generations. This is highlighted by the fact they not only protected large amounts of Nazis post war put systematically parachuted them into positions of power.
Former Nazis from across the board were systematically parachuted into positions of power across the western world specially in west Germany and in America to fight the communists. You can plug your ears all you like but that’s the reality.
Most of the history you know given I’m assuming you’re European or American given your insistence on some nonsense points comes directly from
Franz Halder
German general and the chief of staff of the Army High Command (OKH) in Nazi Germany from 1938 until September 1942. During World War II, he directed the planning and implementation of Operation Barbarossa, the 1941 invasion of the Soviet Union. Halder became instrumental in the radicalisation of warfare on the Eastern Front. He had his staff draft both the Commissar Order (issued on 6 June 1941) and the Barbarossa Decree (signed on 13 May 1941) that allowed German soldiers to execute Soviet citizens for any reason without fear of later prosecution, leading to numerous war crimes and atrocities during the campaign. After the war, he had a decisive role in the development of the myth of the clean Wehrmacht.
After World War II Halder served as a lead consultant for the US Army Historical Division. He oversaw the writing of over 2,500 historical documents by 700 former German officers, whom he instructed to remove material detrimental to the image of the German armed forces. Halder used his influence to foster a false history of the German-Soviet conflict in which the German army fought a “noble war” and which denied its war crimes. The US Army overlooked Halder’s apologia because Halder’s group was providing military insights on the Soviet Union that it deemed important in the light of the Cold War. Halder succeeded in his aim of exonerating the German Army: first with the US military, then amongst widening circles of politicians and eventually in American popular culture. In 1961, he was awarded the Meritorious Civilian Service Award,
Not to mind:
– Adolf Heusinger and Hans Speidel Chairman of NATO’s Military Committee and Commander of the Allied Land Forces Central Europe (COMLANDCENT) respectively
– Johann von Kielmansegg, General Staff officer to the High Command of the Wehrmacht, 1942-44, was NATO’s Commander in Chief of Allied Forces Central Europe, 1967-68.
– Sturmführer Dr. Eberhard Taubert worked with Goebbels in the Nazi Ministry of Propaganda where he was responsible for designing the yellow badge for Jews. After the war, he eventually became an adviser to ex-Nazi Franz Josef Strauss, German Minister of Defence from 1956-62, and was assigned by Strauss to NATO’s “Psychological Warfare Department” .
– Nazi Admiral and U-Boat commander Friedrich Guggenberger, whose U-boat sank 17 allied ships, later served as Deputy Chief of Staff in the NATO command Armed Forces North (AFNORTH) 1968-72.
– Johannes Steinhoff, a Luftwaffe fighter pilot, was made Chairman of the NATO Military Committee 1971-74, holding other NATO positions prior to that.
– Ernst Ferber, a major in the Wehrmacht, was NATO’s Commander in Chief of Allied Forces Central Europe, 1973-75.
– Karl Schnell, First General Staff officer of the LXXVI Panzer Corps, was NATO’s Commander in Chief of Allied Forces Central Europe, 1975-77.
– Franz Joseph Schulze, Chief of the Third Battery of the Flak Storm Regiment 241, was NATO’s Commander in Chief of Allied Forces Central Europe, 1977-79.
– Ferdinand von Senger und Etterline, Lieutenant of the 24th Panzer Division of the German Sixth Army, was NATO’s Commander in Chief of Allied Forces Central Europe, 1979-83.
And that is just NATO not to mind other positions of power such as:
— West German Chief of Staff Hans Globke, Globke drafted the legal commentary on the 1935 Nuremberg laws, legalising the exclusion of Jews from public life, the theft of their assets and opening the door to their eventual murder. It was Globke’s idea to put a “J” in every Jewish citizen’s identity papers, alongside their new middle names: “Israel” for men, “Sara” for women. Globke’s fingerprints were also on laws outlawing “racial disgrace” – relations between Jews and “Aryans”. After the war, Globke confessed that he knew all about the Shoah, the industrialised murder of European Jews.
— Kurt Georg Kiesinger, served as the chancellor of West Germany from 1 December 1966 to 21 October 1969. Before he became chancellor, he served as Minister-President of Baden-Württemberg from 1958 to 1966 and as President of the Bundesrat from 1962 to 1963. He was chairman of the Christian Democratic Union (CDU) from 1967 to 1971. In 1940 he was appointed to the broadcast policy department of the Foreign Office by Joachim von Ribbentrop, and became deputy head of the broadcasting and propaganda departments in 1942.
— The brutal Butcher of Lyon, notorious Nazi Klaus Barbie spent the Second World War torturing children and sending whole families to the death camps. But when the conflict ended, the Gestapo captain didn’t face instant arrest and swift justice. Instead, the US allowed him to start a new life as a CIA spy, smuggling him into Bolivia where he helped hunt and kill the revolutionary Che Guevara among other atrocities.
— General Reinhard Gehlen, the German army’s intelligence chief for the Eastern Front during World War II. At the end of the war, Gehlen established a close relationship with the U.S. and successfully maintained his intelligence network (it ultimately became the West German BND) even though he employed numerous former Nazis and known war criminals.
“Source: trust me bro, I know i was just caught out not knowing what I was talking about one comment ago, but I swear I’m totally knowledgeable and honest now.”
This story is the psychopolitical, Great Man Theory marvelslop version of what actually happened. It’s the World War 2 version of George Washington chopping down a cherry tree, and to earnestly repeat it as an adult is a mark of profound historical incuriosity.
The mod removed. It would be nice if mods would let someone talk. I made three comments on a post recently. Two complimentary of something, and one pointing out flaws. The mod ignored the two and removed the critical one.
Jumping to completely different subjects with literally each sentence out of your mouth. Cynically erasing literally everything about two situations until you’re left with the most superficial commonality that you (cynically? stupidly? does it even matter?) use to say they’re identical in every way.
Completely incoherent and stupid in every observable way.
Self righteously judging your opponent for “jumping to completely different subjects” despite the subject of conversation being about Russias hypocrisy with banning Nazis while being Nazi adjacent themselves… and offering no real arguments yourself
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What do they teach you in school?
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Non aggression pacts are not the same as allying with the Nazis. The non aggression pact was necessary to delay the inevitable long enough to industrialise and build up a force to fight the Nazis largely alone as the western powers had continuously refused to form an anti nazi pact since 1933. The soviets were also the last major power to sign a non aggression pact with the Nazis. The USSR broke the nazi beast took the majority of the casualties and killed the majority of the Nazis.
The USSR spent years trying to build an anti-Nazi alliance. 1933 they proposed collective security at the League of Nations. 1935 they signed mutual defense pacts with France and Czechoslovakia. Spring 1939 they sat in Moscow for months begging Britain and France for a real triple alliance. The West stalled. Refused to guarantee the Baltics. Refused to let the Red Army cross Poland to actually fight Hitler. Poland’s elite, more scared of workers than of Nazis, said no too and instead joined Hitler in attacking Czechoslovakia. The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact happened because liberals handed Hitler Eastern Europe rather than work with the soviets.
When Soviet troops entered eastern Poland September 17 1939, the Polish state had already collapsed. Government fled to Romania September 15. Warsaw was burning. The army was broken. The lands the USSR moved into? Not Poland proper. Territories Poland had seized and occupied by force during the interwar period of 1919-1921 from Belarus, Ukraine, and Lithuania. Moving in to secure this land also saved millions from extermination.
Out of curiosity would you have preferred the soviets cede all of Poland and it’s occupied territory to Nazis such that they could be exterminated?
I’ve seen this nonsense multiple times I don’t know where it comes from but it’s so clearly untrue to anyone with even a passing understanding of the movement of the soviets from 1933, moving factories beyond the Urals, moving into a war economy, attempting over and over to get Europe to see the danger of the Nazis and do something.
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The Soviets only came in after the Nazis invaded Poland and its government was no longer there. Poland was no longer a country at that point.
That Amerika forced Iran at gunpoint multiple times? After having its government overthrown to replace with a bloodthirsty monarch in the 50s?
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“It was horrible! Hordes of rampaging communists, building bridges, leaving hospitals and schools in their wake!”
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Just say youre mad about the soviets beating the Nazis and liberating workers lmao
Ok so they teach you misinformation and propaganda in school.
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Source that wouldn’t make a history teacher cry, recant, or ban? (It’ll be a ban if I see you continuing to post on your account before addressing this)
The Soviets saved a lot of polish people by taking them in after Nazi Germany invaded. What I can take from your posts, is that you’re an extremely salty fascist who got mad that the USSR liberated Europe from Nazi Germany and you would never, ever forgive them for that.
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Europe and America were never better than the Nazis. The Nazis are special because they did to ostensibly “white people” what Europeans and American had done and continue to do to people of the global south for generations. This is highlighted by the fact they not only protected large amounts of Nazis post war put systematically parachuted them into positions of power.
Former Nazis from across the board were systematically parachuted into positions of power across the western world specially in west Germany and in America to fight the communists. You can plug your ears all you like but that’s the reality.
In 1957, 77% of the ministry’s senior officials were former Nazis, which, according to the study, was a higher proportion that during Hitler’s Third Reich government, which existed from 1933 to 1945.
The fascist old-boys network closed ranks, enabling its members to shield each other from justice, the study found – helping explain why so few Nazi war criminals ever went to prison. “The Nazi-era lawyers went on to cover up old injustice rather than to uncover it and thereby created new injustice,” said Heiko Maas, Germany’s justice minister, who presented the report Monday.
Most of the history you know given I’m assuming you’re European or American given your insistence on some nonsense points comes directly from
Franz Halder
German general and the chief of staff of the Army High Command (OKH) in Nazi Germany from 1938 until September 1942. During World War II, he directed the planning and implementation of Operation Barbarossa, the 1941 invasion of the Soviet Union. Halder became instrumental in the radicalisation of warfare on the Eastern Front. He had his staff draft both the Commissar Order (issued on 6 June 1941) and the Barbarossa Decree (signed on 13 May 1941) that allowed German soldiers to execute Soviet citizens for any reason without fear of later prosecution, leading to numerous war crimes and atrocities during the campaign. After the war, he had a decisive role in the development of the myth of the clean Wehrmacht.
After World War II Halder served as a lead consultant for the US Army Historical Division. He oversaw the writing of over 2,500 historical documents by 700 former German officers, whom he instructed to remove material detrimental to the image of the German armed forces. Halder used his influence to foster a false history of the German-Soviet conflict in which the German army fought a “noble war” and which denied its war crimes. The US Army overlooked Halder’s apologia because Halder’s group was providing military insights on the Soviet Union that it deemed important in the light of the Cold War. Halder succeeded in his aim of exonerating the German Army: first with the US military, then amongst widening circles of politicians and eventually in American popular culture. In 1961, he was awarded the Meritorious Civilian Service Award,
Not to mind:
– Adolf Heusinger and Hans Speidel Chairman of NATO’s Military Committee and Commander of the Allied Land Forces Central Europe (COMLANDCENT) respectively
– Johann von Kielmansegg, General Staff officer to the High Command of the Wehrmacht, 1942-44, was NATO’s Commander in Chief of Allied Forces Central Europe, 1967-68.
– Sturmführer Dr. Eberhard Taubert worked with Goebbels in the Nazi Ministry of Propaganda where he was responsible for designing the yellow badge for Jews. After the war, he eventually became an adviser to ex-Nazi Franz Josef Strauss, German Minister of Defence from 1956-62, and was assigned by Strauss to NATO’s “Psychological Warfare Department” .
– Nazi Admiral and U-Boat commander Friedrich Guggenberger, whose U-boat sank 17 allied ships, later served as Deputy Chief of Staff in the NATO command Armed Forces North (AFNORTH) 1968-72.
– Johannes Steinhoff, a Luftwaffe fighter pilot, was made Chairman of the NATO Military Committee 1971-74, holding other NATO positions prior to that.
– Ernst Ferber, a major in the Wehrmacht, was NATO’s Commander in Chief of Allied Forces Central Europe, 1973-75.
– Karl Schnell, First General Staff officer of the LXXVI Panzer Corps, was NATO’s Commander in Chief of Allied Forces Central Europe, 1975-77.
– Franz Joseph Schulze, Chief of the Third Battery of the Flak Storm Regiment 241, was NATO’s Commander in Chief of Allied Forces Central Europe, 1977-79.
– Ferdinand von Senger und Etterline, Lieutenant of the 24th Panzer Division of the German Sixth Army, was NATO’s Commander in Chief of Allied Forces Central Europe, 1979-83.
And that is just NATO not to mind other positions of power such as:
— West German Chief of Staff Hans Globke, Globke drafted the legal commentary on the 1935 Nuremberg laws, legalising the exclusion of Jews from public life, the theft of their assets and opening the door to their eventual murder. It was Globke’s idea to put a “J” in every Jewish citizen’s identity papers, alongside their new middle names: “Israel” for men, “Sara” for women. Globke’s fingerprints were also on laws outlawing “racial disgrace” – relations between Jews and “Aryans”. After the war, Globke confessed that he knew all about the Shoah, the industrialised murder of European Jews.
— Kurt Georg Kiesinger, served as the chancellor of West Germany from 1 December 1966 to 21 October 1969. Before he became chancellor, he served as Minister-President of Baden-Württemberg from 1958 to 1966 and as President of the Bundesrat from 1962 to 1963. He was chairman of the Christian Democratic Union (CDU) from 1967 to 1971. In 1940 he was appointed to the broadcast policy department of the Foreign Office by Joachim von Ribbentrop, and became deputy head of the broadcasting and propaganda departments in 1942.
— The brutal Butcher of Lyon, notorious Nazi Klaus Barbie spent the Second World War torturing children and sending whole families to the death camps. But when the conflict ended, the Gestapo captain didn’t face instant arrest and swift justice. Instead, the US allowed him to start a new life as a CIA spy, smuggling him into Bolivia where he helped hunt and kill the revolutionary Che Guevara among other atrocities.
— General Reinhard Gehlen, the German army’s intelligence chief for the Eastern Front during World War II. At the end of the war, Gehlen established a close relationship with the U.S. and successfully maintained his intelligence network (it ultimately became the West German BND) even though he employed numerous former Nazis and known war criminals.
Or the famous Adolf Eichmann:
The CIA concealed the whereabouts of Nazi war criminal Adolf Eichmann in the 1950s for fear he might expose undercover anticommunist efforts in West Germany, according to documents released
“Source: trust me bro, I know i was just caught out not knowing what I was talking about one comment ago, but I swear I’m totally knowledgeable and honest now.”
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No, the propaganda consists of the things you were told are facts, but aren’t.
Liberal nazis 🤝 chud nazis
a complete bone-deep refusal to examine one’s priors
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I have the same feeling about you.
This comment and a cemetary full of dead history teachers could power an entire city.
Roughly 1920
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The history taught to you is the revisionist one.
This story is the psychopolitical, Great Man Theory marvelslop version of what actually happened. It’s the World War 2 version of George Washington chopping down a cherry tree, and to earnestly repeat it as an adult is a mark of profound historical incuriosity.
The mod removed. It would be nice if mods would let someone talk. I made three comments on a post recently. Two complimentary of something, and one pointing out flaws. The mod ignored the two and removed the critical one.
Thee levels deep and you still haven’t moved beyond sneering insults. i’m bored now, see ya
So basically the nazis got to you while you were young and you believe everything they said like it was your parents teaching you religion
My country aint the one currently invading its neighbour to protect
german speakers in the sudetenlandrussian speakers in the donbasJumping to completely different subjects with literally each sentence out of your mouth. Cynically erasing literally everything about two situations until you’re left with the most superficial commonality that you (cynically? stupidly? does it even matter?) use to say they’re identical in every way.
Completely incoherent and stupid in every observable way.
Yup. I’m arguing with a fash.
Self righteously judging your opponent for “jumping to completely different subjects” despite the subject of conversation being about Russias hypocrisy with banning Nazis while being Nazi adjacent themselves… and offering no real arguments yourself
Yup, i’m talking to a tankie
*.ml
They should nuke terf Island
To be fair, this thread is on .ml, so what would one expect?
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