It shouldn’t be up to discord or any other internet entity to verify the age of its users.
Parents. Parents should be monitoring their child’s Internet usage.
Say it one more time for the dumbasses in the back row!
Listen we can’t have people thinking they can have some sort of responsibility to function in the world. That might give them the bright idea that they can start judging for themselves the state of the world and to demand some kind of accountability. They might even clue in to the problems that the tech monopolies are purposely causing, along with the social ills that come with it.
We can’t have that at all.
They should, but they’re exhausted and they can’t even be bothered to read or help with homework so this will go badly. The only ones winning are the predators.
they’re exhausted and they can’t even be bothered to read or help with homework
The only ones winning are the predators
Have you ever thought that maybe these two things are linked somehow?
Eh?
And who’s fault is that they’re so tired?
Btw, has discord ever done anything to help a minor asking for help?
And how about known predators actually getting jailed?
Part of me thinks is this just performative nonsense that will always have enormous holes in it, like Prohibition.
Scanning “your” face to prove your age is really just scanning a face.
But I also worry about successive noose tightening.
Nah. They want to be an essential service for games.
Verified users of appropriate age.
Integrated game chat.
Integrated game VoIP.
All appropriate-for-age.Can’t develop your own moderation? Just pay discord.
So many companies will pay massive sums to outsource chat/VoIP/age-verification/moderation to discord.
And discord is already the “goto” gaming community provider.Oh, and shop stuff.
Gift (buy) a friend a cool cosmetic through discord. Already has the community connections. Just needs the reason for games to tightly integrate it (moderation, chat, VoIP, age verification).It is absolutely a positioning move
Forums were also outsourced to reddit. Riot did it with league of legends. Why moderate a forum when you have unpaid reddit mods doing it for you?
Part of me agrees and the other part thinks it’s going to go the way of the automobile.
Everyone needs a license, issued from big brother, to use the public service.
Or else!
People using Discord badly are very unlikely to kill random bystanders.
We could go back and forth all day on this, but just watch out for the government trying to claim “you need an ID for this because the anonymous people online can hurt you”.
They’ll find a way to justify it, by some string of twisted logic that makes it equivalent to killing someone in an accident. It’ll probably be about protecting the kids, it’s always about protecting the kids.
Oh well, I think we’re on the same side here. I joined the EFF!
“The government”, because only the US exists and matters…
Ah so europe is under anarchy, that explains so much i never knew that!
It’s even worse here in the EU, which plans to completely ban entire websites if you don’t submit a police ID. So yeah, the government. It’s been happening everywhere.
Very likely to leak military vehicle and aircraft documents though
Shout out to Fluxer.
Still don’t think its quite ready but its chugging along and its been fun following the progress. I know they have some big updates inbound. Hopefully people actually give it a shot and flip over to Fluxer.
I’d also add that the “Proton” subscrition equivalent - “Plutonium”, is a better value proposition. But I will admit, they still need to clear a few hurdles before even I feel completely comfortable ditching Discord.
But its Open Source and it has a self-hosting option, along with the Quality of Life you expect from Discord in terms of the app layout, screen sharing, etc.
No.
Holy fuck!
hmm I thought they leaned relatively against AI slop. Wouldn’t this be because they were working on it privately or something for quite some time?
It’s 11 million lines of fucking code. 11 MILLION LINES.
This commit was the refactor commit from the private dev flow to the open source repo. The process basically added a lot of files and deleted a bunch as well. it was long overdue but I wouldn’t expect constant 11m line code changes
You really don’t understand what 11m lines of code is. Only a collective of humans over many years can create 11m lines of code. It is an absolute batshit insane amout of code.
yea 11m changes is quite a bit at once but, I wouldn’t expect a constant change like that. After all, the monorepo itself is a little over 3m lines, 1.37m of it being lang/locale files for every language for its front end, 600k of it is comments, and 1.5m is the rest of it.
Wow, I thought the actual functional part was around 1m. I am going to check the loc to see if it makes sense in my second language, LLMs are pretty consistent on their translation errors.
It’s obviously some kind of code reorganization, restructuring or reformating, don’t be paranoid
A refactoring would have a relatively similar number of subtractions as additions. This is almost entirely additions. This is not just refactoring.
Not necessarily. Huge additions without matching deletions often happen during restructurings like vendorizing dependencies, importing external packages, generating bindings, or migrating private repos into a monorepo. In these cases new code canbbe introduced to repository and there will be no corresponding deletions in commit history.
I’ve did similar restructurings myself, eg. Making automatically generated resources static
You have no idea what 11 million likes of code is do you? LibreOffice is 11m, Android is 12m, MySQL is 10m. Those projects took years to code not 9 months. I am going to have to ask you to stay in your lane, and I pray that is not Software Engineering.
I’ve been eyeing Fluxer for quite a while now. Once they roll out the update where they want to overhaul and streamline the selfhosting part, my friends and I are going to switch
It’s a slop project.
Is this substantiated?
At this point for many projects it’s now depressingly, a matter of degree.
Look at the git and tell me. One guy, contributing 1.5m lines of code is not human made. It’s a matter of time before it falls apart and becomes unmaintainable.
Shout out to Matrix, which is federated, self hostable, open source, and supports end to end encryption.
Matrix is a bit of a shit show and also isn’t a discord alternative to begin with.
I’ve been using Matrix for over a decade now. How is it a shitshow?
I wouldn’t call it a shit show, they were first in E2E encrypted collaborative messaging platforms and get all the hits. Moderation turned out to be incompatible with E2E encryption. People kicked out of channels can still decrypt because keys revocation hasn’t been made.
Matrix server is a resource hog and a mess, and the protocol has never took off to spark alternative implementations.
Encryption doesn’t scale well for big channels.
They got many things right, but got crippled by many things they couldn’t possibly predict.
For those interested you can find alternatives to Discord and any other software on AlternativeTo.net But here are some of the standouts I have found:
- Armada https://armada.buzz/: End to End Encrypted Messaging with Discord Import and similar UI, comms for gaming, Voice and Video Calling, and App and Desktop Streaming at full capability. No Phone # or Email required. Can be self hosted and is Open Source. Win/Linux/Mobile versions Ready to go now.
- Fluxer https://fluxer.app/: As the webpage states “Free and open source chat for friends, groups, and communities, with text, voice, video, screen sharing, and self-hosting.” and while functional, they have ramped up development to add guides for self hosting and mobile clients that aren’t released yet, and have an ambitious roadmap on their blog. You have to use 3rd party bridging apps for importing Discord Servers.
- Stoat (Formally Revolt) https://stoat.chat/: Another Open Source alternative that you can host your own, but at this time servers aren’t connected and they want to do it through Federation, or in other words like email servers, so users can browse public servers. They are early days on the desktop and video sharing as well but they users like it so much and development team is so reachable that donations more than pay for the community service and development. Uses an open web app so anywhere you can get a modern browser to work has access.
- VoltChat https://voltagechat.app/: A platform similar to the previously mentioned Armada, but using its own decentralized federated platform.
I don’t want to sound like a downer, but I’m skeptical about Armada: never heard of it before, repo created last June, tons of features implemented in that short span and already “ready to go”… Seems like it has been heavily vibe-coded.
Or it could be a dedicated team of coders using AI to generate code for them to review based on already existing encryption and platform packages. At this point only time will tell. I just put it out as an example… I can no more defend its security or the codebase of it or any other of the alternatives I listed. These just stood out to me from the others on AlternativeTo.net.
Going to add one more: Steam.
Steam has a built-in voice chat and chat channels for your friends.
It depends on what you are using Discord for and replacing. While Steam has Video Sharing and voice and text chat, that is only part of what I use Discord for and it would be lacking for me, not to mention it isn’t all available in one place in the UI. For others all they did with discord was make a text channel and a voice channel and used it and then Steam would be a drop in replacement that they already have.
XMPP is still alive peeps, movim even works on the browser
Those people might be unhappy, but most of them will still refuse to move from the platform.
I’m not moving because there’s too many people I regularly talk to on it
That’s what I said about facebook, then Zuck fucked it with his algorithms until I only saw ads and crap, then I left — after giving away some level of information to dipshit.
Yep, I opted for different alternatives like Stoat or matrix but without results. Only one friends switched to Stoat.
because if most people aren’t significantly inconvenienced they won’t join a different platform, and if there aren’t your friends on a different platform it’s really hard to leave.
The way age verification is being pushed feels more like wanting to setting up checkpoints on the edge of a city versus just checking Id’s before going into a specific establishment.
I just don’t see how this isn’t a national login system trying to masquerade itself in a poorly fitting “think of the children!” sheep’s skin.
And how exactly were we expecting it to go? ‘Kind of bad’? 🤣
I’ve been using Fluxer and self hosting Fluxcord to sync my discord server with Fluxer, it’s going great.
Goddamm…all these services just to replace “a phone” (in an oversimplistic sense).
The same day I saw Discord’s age verifying message, I uninstalled the app and moved to Matrix (to be fair, I was already on Matrix)
Yeah, I know a couple of mods whose servers are in a bit of an uproar.
Anyone looking for a lightweight self hosted alternative to discord might want to check out sharkord. Its less about large communities and more about a private space to chat with friends, that you have complete privacy and control with.
I’ve finally gotten off my ass and set up matrix and jabber to pilot with my friend and family. I’ve threatened everyone with IRC, but I really wouldn’t mind going back to hosting IRC servers…
Yet the entire software community depends on it for everything
Isn’t this their third attempt?
My country was getting age verification before the others but yesterday it just stopped for me, no idea why
