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they have already done this for at least the last year or so easily. I noticed it when I requested by data package last year, theres a clear area on it that infers both your gender and your age in it.

They are just acting like this is a “new system” but in reality its a system that have had for awhile now, just didn’t have any public facing usage of it.

For anyone else that wants to see it themselves, and they have a discord takeout. its located at the very bottom in the events file in activity/analytics.

the end of the file shows json objects that indicate what your predicted age and gender is.

edit: I found this file isn’t a static location, it is still in the activity/analytics directory in one of your event files, but you need to search “age” or “gender” to find it if it isn’t at the bottom

mmmmm lets see here

for the pavillion 16…

$34.99 a month with no protection plans available and no option to buy out over time and requires a 650 credit score…

or $979.99 for a one off purchase with the ability to have a protection plan ontop of it (this same laptop is also on a sale via HP for 429$ if you use their financing system…)

I don’t see how this is helpful to the general consumer. The typical user doesn’t replace their laptop every year, and at the prices they give you end up breaking even around 2 years. You would need to be processing an upgrade at least every 2.3 years in order to make your money worth it. I’ve had the same laptop for 8+ years now. I don’t know anyone who had a laptop fail outside of accidental damage prior to the 2 year mark. Most system issues appear prior to the one year warranty end date if something was /going/ to happen.

I can see how this could be helpful for a company that has temp workers… but even then it’s not like the company couldn’t just re-provision the laptop and give it to the next person.

I could see this being more handy if accidental was included on it, but out of the current offerings it’s just not worth it for anyone.

I’m waiting for some government to outlaw collecting the information in general outside of official government agencies. I would love to see big tech squirm as they try to figure out a valid way to harvest the data in one country, but prevent it in another.

Honestly it sounds like an amazing way to rack of fine money due to violation notices.

For ID scans, Discord says that documents “are deleted quickly.”

Just a few months ago they had a data leak which proved that they were indeed /not/ deleting documents and ID’s like they had been claiming.

Granted in that case it was mostly countries that force keeping that data but, I’m sick of companies lying and saying “lol yea we defo delete the data after”

sadly, it’s a little more complex than just enabling it. The supported self host deployment uses docker, and the docker containers that are available don’t contain the interfaces for voice or video calling as they are not up to date.

If I understand it right, to enable it would mean you need to either pull the source yourself and run it off of docker, or make a custom docker image using a version of stoat web that contains the ability to do voice calls.

reading the draft of the linked issue, it looks like the author isn’t doing voice call for the reason that they don’t know the proper way to integrate it into the docker image.

So to answer it: yes it looks like you can use voice servers on the current self hosted model, but you can’t use pre-existing docker images, and it will require you to manually add the new web UI in and patch where needed.

Just a fair warning in reply to this that the self-hosted version of Stoat doesn’t currently have voice chat. It’s an open issue that’s currently paused until they can finish their rework.

If you have the skill for it, it seems like you can patch work the existing voice chat back in, but it’s not part of their initial setup and there’s no instructions on how to do so properly

TIL I even had an application key there. I don’t think I’ve ever used it.

That was my general thought process prior to them telling me how the system worked as well. I had seen claude workflows which does similar, but to that level I had not seen before. It was an eye opener.

I do agree, LLM generated code is inaccurate, which is why they have to have the throw it back in stage and a human eye looking at it.

They told me their main concern is that they aren’t sure they are going to properly understand the code the AI is spitting out to be able to properly audit it (which is fair), then of course any issue with the code will fall on them since it’s their job to give final say of “yes this is good”

The scary part is how it already somewhat is.

My friend is currently(or at least considering) job hunting because they added AI to their flow and it does everything past the initial issue report.

the flow is now: issue logged -> AI formats and tags the issue -> AI makes the patch -> AI tests the patch and throws it back if it doesn’t work -> AI lints the final product once working -> AI submits the patch as pull.

Their job has been downscaled from being the one to organize, assign and work on code to an over-glorified code auditor who looks at pull requests and says “yes this is good” or “no send this back in”

They are very nice. They share kernelspace so I can understand wanting isolation but, the ability to just throw a base Debian container on, assign it a resource pool and resource allocation, and install a service directly to it, while having it isolated from everything without having to use Docker’s emphereal by design system(which does have its perks but I hate troubleshooting containers on it) or having to use a full VM is nice.

And yes, by Docker file I would mean either the Docker file or the compose file(usually compose). By straight on the container I mean on the container, My CTs don’t run Docker period, aside from the one that has the primary Docker stack. So I don’t have that layer to worry about on most CT’s

As for the memory thing, I was just mentioning that Docker does the same thing that containers do if you don’t have enough RAM for what’s been provisioned. The way I had taken that original post is that specifying 2 gigs of RAM to the point the system exhausts it’s ram would cause corruption and the system crashes, which is true but docker falls for the same issue if the system exhausts it’s ram. That’s all I meant by it. Also cgroups sound cool, I gotta say I haven’t messed with them a whole lot. I wish proxmox had a better resource share system to designate a specific group as having X amount of max resources, and then have the CT or vm’s be using those pools.

Yea I plan to try out the new Proxmox version at some point to try that out, thank you again.

Will be looking into that, I haven’t upgraded from 8.4 yet. That sounds like a pretty decent thing to have. Thanks!

Your statements are surprising to me, because when I initially set this system up I tested against that because I had figured similar.

My original layout was a full docker environment under a single VM which was only running Debian 12 with docker.

I remember seeing a good 10gb different with ram usage between offloading the machines off the docker instance onto their own CT’s and keeping them all as one unit. I guess this could be chalked down to the docker container implementation being bad, or something being wrong with the vm. It was my primary reason for keeping them isolated, it was a win/win because services had better performance and was easier to manage.

Sorry, make legal requires the lawyer subroutine which requires full access to everything to verify you have the money to be able to make such a claim

as much as I would love this. If it ever did become a thing, what you would see wouldn’t be companies taking the fine, you would see companies “off-branching” and having income be reported on a parent company that is contracted to the offending company. like in the case of alphabet, they would likely just migrate the android division to be a contractee that they have full control over that they never terminate the contract for. They no longer “own” android legally, they contract android to do their bidding. So when it ends up in court, it ends up as a “well Android did it not us” much like how Amazons third party delivery services worked when they tried to enforce unionization laws.

some important clarification though, that is a hard cap, realistically it will likely be quite a bit less.

Concidering that they were estimated to be making 31 billion USD off the android ecosystem alone back in 2016 over 10 years 2006-2016, im sure it’s not even a drop in the bucket now.

are you are saying running docker in a container setup(which at this point would be 2 layers deep) uses less resources than 10 single layer deep containers?

I can agree with the statement that a single VM running docker with 10 containers uses less than 10 CT’s with docker installed then running their own containers(but that’s not what I do, or what I am asking for).

I currently do use one CT that has docker installed with all my docker images, which I wouldn’t do if I had the ability not to but some apps require docker) but this removes most of the benefits you get using proxmox in the first place.

One of the biggest advantages of using the hypervisor as a whole is the ability to isolate and run services as their own containers, without the need of actually entering the machine. (like for example if I"m screwing with a server, I can just snapshot the current setup and then rollback if it isn’t good) Throwing everything into a VM with docker bypasses that while adding headway to the system. I would need to backup the compose file (or however you are composing it) and the container, and then do my changes. My current system is a 1 click make my changes, if bad one click to revert.

For resource explanation. Installing docker into a VM on proxmox then running every container in that does waste resources. You have the resources that docker requires to function (which is currently 4 gigs of ram per their website but when testing I’ve seen as low as 1 gig work fine)+ cpu and whatever storage it takes up which is about half a gig or so) in a VM(which also uses more processing and ram than CT’s do as they no longer share resources). When compared to 10 CT’s that are finetuned to their specific app, you will have better performance running the CT’s than a VM running everything, while keeping your ability to snapshot and removing the extra layer and ephemeral design that docker has(this can be a good and bad thing, but when troubleshooting I learn towards good).

edit: clarification and general visibility so it wasnt bunched together.

I don’t like how everything is docker containerized.

I already run proxmox, which containerizes things by design with their CT’s and VM’s

Running a docker image ontop of that is just wasting system resources. (while also complicating the troubleshooting process) It doesn’t make sense to run a CT or VM for a container, just to put docker on it and run another container via that. It also completly bypasses everything that proxmox provides you for snapshotting and backup because proxmox’s system is for the entire container, and if all services are running on the same container all services are going to be snapshotted.

My current system allows me to have per service snapshots(and backups), all within the proxmox webUI, all containerized, and all restricted to their own resources. Docker is just not needed at this point.

A docker system just adds extra headway that isn’t needed. So yes, just give me a standard installer.