Fuck Hamas. They are a blight on the Palestinian cause.
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blight?
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I think it’s news because her body was taken around on a truck while people spat on her.
She was one of the women raped to death and then paraded through the streets. That and she was a foreigner.
I’m not familiar with the story. Are you saying that she was paraded after her death?
Edit: Nevermind. I saw the video just now. I’m at a loss for words to describe people who do this to innocent civilians.
Hamas. Terrorists.
The same people who use gaza as civilians and then blame Israel for the casualties. Their bosses are currently in Qatar, the same Qatar that has an explosion of meetings with different media mongrels during Fifa, particularly elon musk.
Imagine you have an invisible man in the sky who approves of everything you do and will make sure that when you die you go to a happy land forever. Now you understand.
This is exactly why I hate organized religion. Want to believe in God? That’s your concern. But don’t come to me peddling your sky daddy.
I think it’s rather because Hammas produced the video with her being pressed into back of their truck in unnatural position half naked and paraded trough the Gaza streets while tens or maybe hundreds people were celebrating her humiliation . But i might be wrong. 🤷♂️
Here’s one right here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67266873
Post it, upvote it, give it it’s own thread. Both tales are appalling.
Well the important thing is you get to be superior to everyone else.
Hot take: making an astute observation for the purposes of having a conversation about media literacy isn’t being narcissistic.
More importantly, in one of the few countries with actual walls on their borders to keep out Palestinians, why were the guards missing that night and how did Hamas find out ?
Nope it ain’t, and it’s mostly sensors and cams. Guards weren’t missing, it was religious holiday and most of the IDF came back home. A lot of paragliding recreations occur often and Hamas used this opportunity to their advantage. I know these things because I know few people who work in the IDF. I’m not jewish but I live in Israel for my job. The wall is mostly fence, and only in important places it’s a wall.
I assume you know that more than half a million Palestinians cross that border every day… it’s not that strict. Although from now on it might be
Israel ignored the warnings from Egypt
The “wall” is a chain link fence, Hamas just cut it down where they wanted to sally out through
I googled the wall earlier, in some places it’s an actual wall, yet its chain length with rows of bar wire in others. Doesn’t change the fact it’s one of the most patrolled borders in the world guarded by one of the world’s most advanced army. How could this happen.
i assume a lot of it is high tech and sensor based, that can all fail with hacking or bad interpretation of the data. Also, the infiltrators likely first flew over the fence and possibly disabled parts of it once they were inside to allow others to come in the conventional way.
I’m very saddened to hear about the death of this young woman. I’m also sad to hear about deaths of many, many Palestinians. I do not think it’s coincidence that Hamas decides to launch a major offensive in the midst of talks with between Saudi Arabia and Israel to normalize relations between the two after many years of relative peace. We can’t have peace in the Middle East because it doesn’t serve the ends to the major regional powers.
Both sides in this conflict are used as pawns for the political ends of others. Innocent people are those that get caught in the midst of it all. Hamas didn’t do this without a green light so as much vitriol being spilled in this thread we have to take a step back. These fights have been brewing and going on for generations. If you take the short term view much of the strife we see today is the fallout from WWII and that is used as leverage by other nefarious parties.
It’s not the Israeli people’s fault they do not have a home. It’s not the Palestinian people’s fault they do not have a home.
Some of the comments in this thread are sickening, hateful, narrow, and short-sighted.
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Is it because of mobile or ubo but I didn’t see the video? Pretty sure the start showed her dead tits in the back of a vehicle though? That was weird.
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Not that any death is worth more or less than another, but it is surreal to know that the people killed at the music festival were privileged young people completely removed from the conflict, and most of the people killed in Gaza are poverty stricken children and starving adults.
War is ugly and unfair.
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Wow…just…wow…
Congratulations, you win the worst take of the day.
I hope you fit in.
Yeah clearly anyone who can afford a vacation deserves to be kidnapped raped brutalized and paraded through the streets before being left to die as a hostage over 3 weeks.
No, that’s not clear at all.
But you should try to understand the insane excess these partygoers had compared to the squalor that Gazans have to live in.
It makes sense that with such disparity in qualities of life, those who feel they got the short end of the stick fight back against those who have too much.
This entire comment chain, as usual, is just people getting upset at criticizing excess wealth. Pretty much unless it’s a billionaire, you’re not allowed to criticize excess wealth.
The closer we get to the root of the problem, the more people we’ll find that contribute to it and the less we’ll find that are willing to admit it.
No it doesn’t make sense you rape apologizing dingbat.
It’s so hard to fight for the Palestinian people when soulless monsters like you show up to represent the cause. It’s becoming harder and harder to figure out who is anti-apartheid, and who wants another Holocaust.
I wonder what the travel logs for Gazans are like, and why that is.
I don’t actually spend my time wondering why because we all got a pretty good demonstration from Hamas as to why. Their attack pretty much ensured there won’t be a free Gaza for another generation…or two, or three.
If you think what happened to this girl was justified, not only are you broken, but you are no different than the people who support the genocide of Palestinians.
I don’t think it was justified.
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Oh don’t get me wrong, I talk about how ridiculously expensive traveling is all the time. Anyone who engages in this sort of behavior has no right to complain about ‘not having enough money’, yet they routinely do. Lol.
Some people just don’t know the difference between needs and wants.
Shut the fuck up bitch.
Come on man, there’s no need to be doing that.
Could it be because of never-ending attacks against civilians because they lost multiple wars yet refuse to negotiate for a viable peace?
Nah, must be because the Jews are mean. 🙄
yet refuse to negotiate for a viable piece?
Look at any colonized people who have made peace on their colonizer’s terms for why they might not want to do that.
Let’s see here, just off the top of my head:
Native Americans, Native Australians, Native South Africans.
To be fair, Palestine already resembles the reservations and slums the native people I mentioned have been forced into by their colonizers.
I feel like you are missing the line between fighting for their freedom, and publicly raping innocent concert goers to death a bit, though. I completely understand them lashing out. I will never understand the targets that they chose to lash out at. It’s not smart from a strategic standpoint, even.
I’m not missing any line.
That’s just the realities of war.
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Native Australians are called Aboriginals
How about new zealand tho?
It sure seems like it worked for the Irish.
We were the stereotype terrorist until 9/11
Now people unironically ask Irish bartenders for car bombs and don’t see the issue.
It’s never bothered me tbh, that’s an American thing. Never heard of it until I visited
Well if you stick to that braindead logic to justify terrorism you’re just going to get bombed with no support from modern nations.
When you declare a genocide on a group of people don’t be surprised when they fight back.
When you declare a genocide on a group of people don’t be surprised when they fight back.
So, to be clear here, you are condemning Israel here, correct? The ones who are actually perpetuating a genocide?
Sure if you count defending yourself from genocide as genocide also.
Israel started the genocide. For that matter, they have a long history of starting fights with their neighbors. Sometimes it works out for them, and sometimes it doesn’t, but the common theme is they always blame it on people wanting to genocide the Jews. Only idiots still fall for that shit.
Lucky for them, they have powerful allies that cover for them and drag their asses out of the fire each time. But public opinion is slowly changing, and at some point it’s going to tip and Israel is going to pick a fight where nobody comes to their rescue. When that happens, I hope I’m around to appreciate them receiving their just rewards for being truly inhuman monsters.
Learn history.
You look over there, and then you look at the comments in here. It’s makes you wonder if the human race will ever live in peace. Shame on us all.
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Which isn’t a reason to be paraded half naked nor killed for the sins of the power hungry leader of both states. There is no excuse good enough to indiscriminately kill civilians.
She was paraded in the outfit she was partying in. They didn’t need to strip her she did that herself.
Also when people have a rave party on Crimea are they just innocent civilians that should be completely harmless from Ukranian attacks? Unless Israel forced her to be partying on Palestinian land why was she there?
So nice that she was able to travel from Germany to party in Israel.
I wonder what the travel logs for Gazans are like, and why that is.
Did they find the body to confirm the beheading. or is this the same story as the 40 beheaded babies propagandized by mass media.
Why the mess if one bullet could do a cleaner job. I don’t think they have a fetish for beheading despite all other cruelties they can be capable of.
Edit: for those who are asking why I am talking about beheading rumors because NBC Titled its video with “Beheading” and refer to Israel’s President saying: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ICR5ml2YPkI
Who said she was beheaded? All it says in the article is she had a severe head injury and if you watched the video of her being paraded, you can clearly see she has a head injury most likely being shot in the head.
Western Media as in the title of this video by NBC : https://youtube.com/watch?v=ICR5ml2YPkI
The article explains the details. Just like you said. Shot in the head.
According to the title of this NBC video it says “Beheaded” , https://youtube.com/watch?v=ICR5ml2YPkI
So we don’t know Who to believe
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I also find it troubling how many people on the fediverse are apologists for Hamas.
I’m not a Hamas apologist, but I have noticed that there are just as many IDF apologists.
Yeah, that’s not equal at all buddy. The IDF is commiting atrocities. Also, nobody gives a shit about Israeli civilians and millions of us are worrying about the 4th Reich.
Why does everything have to equal out? These are peoples lives, not a fucking math equation.
They wrote “just as many”… I agree with you hence my comment
Piece of shit.
Lol piece of shit bc a pattern of targeting Jewish civilians continueds and is worrisome? Elaborate please.
You’re a piece of shit because you don’t give a shit about civilians because they’re not part of your little hate group.
I got downvoted and shit on just for saying the videos from 10/7 showed really fucked up shit, including Shani. Some of the crowd on lemmy is pretty fuckin gross tbh, the Fediverse isn’t going to pick up with the tankies taking over over every controversial political topic.
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You’d be surprised. I mean, even downpunxx is still here trolling his extremist crap under every topic.
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The line between pro-Palestinian and anti-Semitic is dangerously thin in places.
Especially in the minds of people who want to revel in their righteousness.
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Well, some of the released hostages report that while the experience is traumatizing, they were treated relatively well once held hostage. Of course, the released hostages were a) mostly elderly citizen and b) the ones Hamas chose to release, so there might be a selection bias. But the treatment of surviving hostages might not be as bad as initially feared. Let’s hope they make it out soon and safely.
That old woman was beaten and robbed and kidnapped. She called the experience hell. You have a funny definition of treating her well.
Iirc, those people who were released worked on Palestinian causes.
With an emphasis on once held hostage. People were killed and mutilated during the kidnappings, the old lady who was later released was beaten with sticks and struggled to breathe during the motorcycle ride.
She said they were kept in clean rooms, slept on mattresses, and received medical attention. They received white cheese and cucumber for eating, and Hamas told them “We believe in the Quran: We’re not going to hurt you”. The former hostage, Oded, noted that they took care of even the smallest detail, and her son sad that “If everybody in there is in the same situation, there is room for optimism”.
This doesn’t justify any of the actions of the terrorist attack. Obviously the situation is awful. But there is a good chance the hostages are still allright, which is a glimmer of hope in an awful situation assuming you have any piece of your humanity still intact.
Furthermore, I don’t believe my original post was that unclear, and you’ve clearly read the reporting. You knew exactly what I was referring to, and you’re still out there wasting people’s time trying to fuel hate. As if there’s not enough of that already. Fuck off.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-10-24/ty-article/.premium/85-year-old-israeli-grandmother-recounts-hamas-captivity-says-government-deserted-us/0000018b-615d-d312-a1fb-f77f9aea0000
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With an emphasis on once held hostage.
Oh okay so if we ignore the bad, brutal, inhumane parts she was treated well. Got to set those goal posts very carefully to make her treatment seem acceptable.
“Besides that, how was the play, Mrs. Lincoln?”
you’re still out there wasting people’s time trying to fuel hate.
Ah yes, clearly it’s my reactions to this fueling hate and not, you know all the murders. Maybe if I portrayed this old woman being kidnapped and beaten as humane it would calm things down? Is that what you’re doing?
I mean there is a huge gap between being tortured and raped, and getting decent food and medical attention. So yeah, in the context of being a fucking war hostage, seems like they were treated fairly decently.
Hamas should get a gold star for only beating and robbing this woman and not raping and torturing her?
no, but the claim that Shani is now free from all the rape and violence is simply not accurate and fuels hatred unnecessarily.
What are you talking about? This entire comment chain is from someone talking about how hostages may be getting treated.
If anyone is moving goalposts, it’s you. Lol.
Nah. It’s just a normal reddit comment.
Why downvoted? As a parent, this is accurate. Snowflake overeducated cunts don’t want to hear it bc it doesn’t fit their anger narrative. Sheeeit, maybe they’ll need to be self aware and realize they’re celebrating innocents being murdered. Fake woke shitheads.
You watched too many movies
What does your comment even mean dude
The expression “You watched too many movies” is a common colloquial phrase that is used to convey the idea that an individual’s perspective or perception of a situation has been significantly shaped by their exposure to movies. It suggests that their understanding may be unrealistic or exaggerated due to the dramatic and often exaggerated scenarios frequently depicted in cinematic storytelling. In other words, the phrase implies that the person’s view of reality has been distorted by the influence of fictional narratives found in movies. It’s a way of saying that someone’s expectations or beliefs are not grounded in practical or realistic understanding but rather influenced by the world of fiction and entertainment.
This phrase is often used humorously or to highlight when someone’s expectations do not align with the actual facts of a situation.
I used to think it was just an excuse to be a dick, but a lot of people legitimately watch too many movies and it shapes their view of the world.
thankfully we won’t have to worry about retaliation, I’m sure Israel is very reasonable
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If you’re going to equate the dead children in Gaza with Hamas, you might as well say this lady “earned” it on account of the policies of the Israeli far right.
There’s no such thing as “earning” the mass murder of civilians.
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Hamas has kept power for almost two decades without an election, of which over 50% of the population of Gaza was too young to vote in, on account of them not being born.
Innocent people are dying because Israel propped up the terrorist Hamas to prevent a real, peaceful government from forming and bringing forward a two country solution.
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Israel didn’t start this? Have you been under a rock since WWII ended?
Hamas earned this, not the rest of the innocent Palestinians who never had a choice on who represented them. The innocent Israeli citizens didn’t earn this either.
They probably should have left long ago when the Egyptian border was open for anyone who wanted to leave.
The crossing that Israel bombed? You do know why it was closed right?
“Long ago.”
It was closed because IDF attacked a tunnel under the wall near the crossing. It was open before then and it has been reopened since. Unfortunately, Egypt only lets out ~300/day so it’s probably unlikely that refugees are lucky enough to leave at present. Egypt cares more about not destabilizing themselves like other neighboring countries did than they do about Palestinian refugees.
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