My favorite analogy is: You don’t have to choose what’s for dinner, but you’re going to be forced to eat whatever was chosen.
Ever since I was old enough, I’ve voted in every single election I was eligible for. I don’t care what people say or how unlikely it was for my candidate to win, I would still get out and vote.
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Extending the analogy- if you are forced to eat shit or shittier shit every dinner you’ll fucking die, and you need to find a way to stop being force-fed shit every night.
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How much change has bitching on the Internet accomplished?
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To all the burn it down and rebuild leftists (by protesting and not voting for the lesser of 2 evils) tell me how well that went for the Communists in Germany and Italy the last time mask off fascism rose to power there…
Edit: Not one of these “Self-righteous leftists” have addressed my question about what happened to leftists in Germany or Italy when fascist took power there. Its almost like they dont give a shit about the Prolitariat and would rather engage in purity politics rather than support the working class or marginalized communities. Absolutely pathetic astroturfing, or simply a complete disregard for the Materical Conditions on the ground in America.
Vote for the system least likely to break you and you allies while you work to dismantle it.
Not voting for the lesser of two evils is the most childish shit. People like to bring up that Geralt quote, as if the situation in that story wasn’t made a hell of a lot worse by his decision not to choose.
If you’re not gonna vote blue all the way down, then you need to put your money where your mouth is and start burning it down so you can rebuild it. Otherwise you aren’t protesting, you’re just being lazy.
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Looks at the 2016 US election…
I legitimately regret not voting for Hilary…
I get exactly how you feel. “Fuck the establishment, this’ll be the year that a third party wins!” To be young and optimistic again…
Meh, I still kinda regret having voted for her
“I wish the Democratic Party would put forth a candidate worth voting for!”
So in your mind what Trump did was better?
If you want to teach the Democrats a lesson, do it earlier. The presidential election isn’t the time nor place to play games - as we saw with Trump setting the country back years.
Sometimes that’s the best time to learn is when the country is at stake.
So that’s what this is about.
is it already Presidential election in he US? when did the primaries end? man I feel out of touch
Election day is tomorrow, alot of state representatives and senators are on the ballot
Lol
Do you think that Germany or Italy wouldn’t have gone fascist if the leftists just voted harder?
The historian in me eagerly awaits your reply
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I’m not saying that voting harder back then would have changed anything, but drawing a parallel between then and America today where mask of Fascism is very much on the ballot tomorrow and a year from now in the presidential election. Not voting to protect one’s ideological purity is the height of privilege.
Okay but voting didn’t prevent fascism in those countries. Fascism didn’t happen because some communists and anarchists refused to vote, it happened because of class war on the part of the petite bourgeoisie and precarious haut bourgeoisie
Voting is like paying taxes: It sucks, you don’t get anything you want, but not voting leads to problems.
I mainly vote to prove it doesn’t help and I haven’t been proven wrong since 2000
Your presidential elections are like the last step in the process. If you want to make real change, you need to start from the bottom up. You can’t just say (not saying you do this) “oh shit there’s a presidential election this year? And I dislike the Democrats candidate? Time to vote for a third party candidate to show them!”
It’s kind of like baking a cake I guess. If you just jump in at the end and taste the cake, well you’re stuck with what it is. "Oh I wish this was a chocolate cake instead of vanilla. I’m not going to eat this cake. I’m going to eat this other cake ", well you should have gotten involved earlier and who knows what’s in that other cake, it could have those disgusting flavored jelly beans in it.
I do agree that not voting leads to problems.
I agree, which is why I’ve been voting in local and primary elections since 2000. And it doesn’t work because the system of government we have is shitty, old, and broken.
We tried that with Bernie, also doesn’t work
It might not look like it helped but who knows what would have happened if you and several others didn’t go.
I guess the entire world going straight to hell at 300 mph is better than at 400 mph. Still going to hell, though.
That’s the spirit!
If you’re someone who is living paycheck-to-paycheck, you’re only voting for one party, because no matter who you elect the end result is still low wages and severely high cost of living.
Yep. We’ll still have a shitty health care system, a shitty education system, a shitty transportation system, a shitty housing system, a shitty food system, a shitty economic system, and a shitty diplomatic system.
But goddamn do we have a lot of guns so we’ve got that going for us.
Voting is important, but only an organized revolution is capable of breaking the system that fucks us up
Start it then.
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No, I won’t get out and vote.
I will stay in and vote by mail.
I live in Oregon, which has had all-mail elections since the 1990’s. It’s so great being able to sit down with my husband, some endorsements, the voter’s guide, and a computer to make my decision. So much better than scratching my head over half the ballot (well at least the title sounds good) and voting straight for the other half (vote blue no matter who).
On one hand, I wish I could do that in my country. On the other hand, voting already takes me less than 10 minutes including “commute” (walking down a single block), so it’d probably be a bigger hassle.
Not every state or county is having an election, you can check to see if you can/should participate here https://ballotpedia.org/Elections_calendar
THANK you. There’s been so much negative trolling on lemmy, really getting me down. Seeing your post actually reminded me I need to re-register.
Liberals, please acknowledge that if there is a possibility every election that fascism will win, fascism will eventually win unless you take political action outside of electoralism
This is why it’s important to build strong democratic institutions to resist fascism, populism, and the like. They won’t last forever, but they can take a few election cycles of abuse. Part of the problem with many countries that have truly fallen to fascism or fascist-like movements is that they started out with weak or non-existent institutions. Contrast that with the US, where even the election of Donald Trump of the “Lock Her Up” slogan (very fascist) got basically nowhere with both prosecuting Hillary Clinton and overturning the 2020 election.
This sounds nice but doesn’t really address what I said in any way.
How so? Fascism is rarely a matter of a single election. It’s usually a slide. Providing a bulwark against that slide means you have several election cycles to snuff out fascism and return to liberal democracy.
So you’re just crossing your fingers and hoping the fascism goes away on its own?
What are the historical and material causes of fascism? How do they influence how you should respond to fascism?
Rereading the thread, I think we’re in agreement. I was more adding onto your point, that building strong institutions and norms is important along with political activism. Institutions and norms slow the rot from the inside, political action slow it from the outside.
Fascism has already won if you’re a person of color.
No, that is just the status quo in a settler colonial state. Fascism has distinct economic structures that haven’t coalesced yet.
Oui. C’est correct.
I can’t get out and vote.
I can though in about two weeks. And the election will probably be just as significant.
I read that electron and I was so confused. I should go put on my glasses.
My local election is just to renew some levy
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OP demanding people vote, ‘regretted not voting hillary’ and then calling people SJW in the comments. Just your average liberal fascist.
Lmao where did I demand people vote? I asked what the dude calling me out was doing irl besides being an internet sjw, while fully acknowledging that I very much am an internet sjw. Dude couldn’t give me one answer and called me going to multiple ceasefire protest in D.C. as being a performative action, like no shit, thats what protesting is, showing your disdain for what your country is doing with my physical presence. Y’all are so fucking dumb.
Liberals don’t respond to criticism with ableism challenge 2023 (IMPOSSIBLE)
Also calling someone a sjw isnt nazi terminology, thinking that sjw has a negative connotation makes you align with Nazis who view social justice with a negative connotation. Lol
The term literally came from the alt-right, a neo-nazi movement which started as a result of reddit banning r/jailbait
If by “came from” you mean “was hijacked by”.
I fail to see how “caring about social issues makes you a bad person” can come from anywhere other than the greasiest pedo-nazis.
There is nothing wrong with being a social justice warrior lmfao, the fact that they abriviated it doesnt make it nazi terminology, nor does it make being a social justice warrior a negative thing. You are actively reinforcing nazi ideologies by implying that being an sjw is a bad thing… cause advocating for social justice is a good thing lmfao.
Lmao what?!
Doesn’t voting not matter because it all gets decided by the electoral collage anyway?
The people who vote are losers. They’re people who think electing some person they met or had any alone time with will make their lives better.
As opposed to the people who don’t vote because they live under a rock or in their mom’s basement?
I mean, I’m kidding, but people you’ve never met can absolutely fuck up your life when in comes to politics.
