• HowMany@lemmy.ml
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    10 months ago

    Yay China. Say… isn’t this the same country that turns out 68% of the world’s air pollution?

    What have they done about that?

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      10 months ago

      Yes. And the same country that produces all the shit we order from them. So is it their pollution or ours?

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      10 months ago

      Isn’t this the same country that also produces per capita 1/4th the pollution of USA, and the single country that manufactures almost all of the world’s goods, effectively bringing total world’s pollution to way less than if many countries were manufacturing?

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        10 months ago

        Also the country that dominates green energy manufacturing… Which is what everyone else is using to reduce their emissions.

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      10 months ago

      In terms of particulates? China’s really cleaned that up in recent years.

      But, well, China doesn’t have massive piles of natural gas it can burn instead of coal. Coal is notoriously dirty.

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      They’ve done a lot about that, like becoming the global leader in pretty much every renewable sector as well as nuclear. Also, worth mentioning that smooth brained liberals have all their stuff produced in China. It’s absolute idiocy to bleat about pollution without considering where consumption is happening. Per capita energy usage in China is far lower than in the west.

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        10 months ago

        “It’s not our fault, we just produce cheap goods, the pollution is the fault of the people buying the goods”

        If your products are cheap because you’re polluting, you are the problem. If you weren’t polluting, your products wouldn’t be as cheap. If your products weren’t as cheap, they wouldn’t be competitive on the capitalist market. If they weren’t competitive, they wouldn’t be bought.

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          10 months ago

          The demand comes from people consuming the goods. I’m sorry you lack intellectual capacity to wrap your head around this concept.

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            10 months ago

            I’m sorry that you expect each unknowing consumer to have the intellectual capacity to understand the geopolitical consequences of each product they by based on the environmental damage and human rights violations during its production.

            It’s almost like you’re the fool for expecting such a flawed system to work. Saying, “well, you paid me to do it!” does not absolve you of guilt.

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              That’s a nice straw man there buddy. I never said anything of the sort. It’s the capitalist system in the west that’s responsible for creating western lifestyle and the consumption that goes along with it. Nowhere did I say that I expected this system to work either. Keep trying there.