Israel, the United States and Hamas are close to an agreement to free dozens of women and children held hostage in Gaza, in exchange for the first sustained pause in conflict in Gaza, according to people familiar with its provisions.

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    Because what two foreign powers decide to do is totally Biden’s responsibility?

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      When it comes to Israel? Absolutely. That’s the 51st state, our own little monster that we’ve fed and created.

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        Puerto Rico, American Samoa, Guam, US Virgin Islands, Northern Mariana Islands, and Washington DC have entered the chat.

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        I’ve seen more stupid takes this past month than during all of COVID.

        People are getting stupider faster. We’re screwed.

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        That’s the 51st state, our own little monster that we’ve fed and created.

        Jesus Christ. Imagine believing that.

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          Imagine not believing that … esp since “the United States has given Israel more than $260 billion in combined military and economic aid since World War II, plus about $10 billion more in contributions for missile defense systems like the Iron Dome, a U.S. News analysis finds”. source

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              Egypt is a US client state - is this really the first time you’ve heard of this stuff?

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                Goodness me, I suppose the EU is made of US client states as well, and Japan, and South Korea, and Latin America, and MENA, and most of Africa, and Southeast Asia. Really, anytime anyone does anything you don’t like, unless they’re Russia, Iran, India, or China, you can just decry them as America’s 51st state. Very convenient. I’m sure India will be added to the “American Capitalist Lapdogs” before long, though. Not enough saber-rattling for your kind.

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                  Japan, and South Korea

                  LOL!

                  Clyde… tourism brochures aren’t history books, okay?

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          I personally have a lot more trouble believing the u.s isn’t a colossal imperialistic empire but a lot of people do seem alarmingly ignorant of this fact.

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          Without US support Israel wouldn’t last a month - Israel is a shining example of US “foreign policy.” Just like Saudi Arabia.

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            Right, do you not remember how the last attempts to dislodge Israel went, back when Israel went without significant US support?

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              Are you talking about the Yom Kippu war, perhaps? That war Israel only survived due to the massive support it received from the US?

              Is that the time you are talking about?

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                … you do realize that the Yom Kippur War had already shifted in Israel’s favor by the time (limited) American support arrived, and that the Arab states were backed materially by the Soviet fucking Union, right?

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                  LOL!

                  Tell me you don’t know squat about the history you are feigning expertise in without telling me you don’t know squat about the history you are feigning expertise in.

                  Israel was backed to the hilt by the US long before Yom Kippur happened, Clyde - it was only thanks to the US placing it’s massive surveillance capabilities at Israel’s disposal that Israel even exists today.

                  Do you actually know anything about this that you haven’t read on an Israeli tourism brochure, Clyde?

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                    Israel was backed to the hilt by the US long before Yom Kippur happened,

                    Imagine being this ignorant of Israeli history. Guess you need to posture after being called out on your ignorance of the Yom Kippur War.

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          Imagine believing Israel is somehow able to survive without a steady supply of support from the entire Western world.

          If the US pulled support, pretty much every NATO country would do the same thing. They’d be alone in the world in a region surrounded by countries opposed to Zionism. Hell, just take those warships out of the Gulf and things would turn very quickly.

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            “every NATO country would do the same thing”

            Who else is materially supporting Israel in NATO, again?

            Is NATO just the fucking illuminati, at this point, as an excuse for everything you don’t like?

            Do you not remember what happened in the first twenty-five years of Israel’s existence?

            Do you not know how US-Israel relations were in that period?

            … do you know anything about the history of this region?

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              Who else is materially supporting Israel in NATO, again?

              Diplomatic support matters, but also, the UK has sent ships and planes to support Israel, the European Union’s executive arm announced it was suspending all aid to the Palestinian territories, Germany offers Israel military help and promises to crack down at home on support for Hamas , like are you serious?

              Also, this is not the 1950s! You’re living in the past, the Israel of today is run by the soft sons of the ones who conquered Palestine. Their soldiers aren’t warriors, they’re concentration camp guards and dronies and desk jockies. There’s a reason they’ve lost tanks trying to take Gaza.

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                Diplomatic support matters, but also, the UK has sent ships and planes to support Israel, the European Union’s executive arm announced it was suspending all aid to the Palestinian territories, Germany offers Israel military help and promises to crack down at home on support for Hamas , like are you serious?

                I made the comment in response to “Imagine believing Israel is somehow able to survive without a steady supply of support from the entire Western world.”

                Show me the steady supply of support from NATO countries other than the US, not the immediate reaction to a civilian massacre.

                Also, this is not the 1950s! You’re living in the past, the Israel of today is run by the soft sons of the ones who conquered Palestine. Their soldiers aren’t warriors, they’re concentration camp guards and dronies and desk jockies. There’s a reason they’ve lost tanks trying to take Gaza.

                “Soft sons”, “their soldiers aren’t warriors”

                Jesus Christ. And tankies wonder why people call them red fash.

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                  2008: ‘Israel, Germany develop nuclear warning system’

                  2020: UK and Israel sign agreement on military cooperation

                  I really don’t care to keep looking this stuff up for you. Just look in wikipedia for [country]-israel relations, there’s loads of examples of both military and non-military cooperation between Israel and various NATO countries. Without America, all that goes away.

                  Jesus Christ. And tankies wonder why people call them red fash.

                  And yet you’re the one supporting genocide.

                  When preemies die because there’s no power for their incubators, that’s our fault. We both voted for that.

                  I’m not voting for that again. It’s not too late for Biden to change course, and if he does I will vote for him.

                  But by voting blue-no-matter-who, you are making Biden worse. You are showing him he can do anything he wants and, as long as he is slightly better than Trump, you will support him. No matter how many thousands of children die screaming under the rubble, scared out of their minds and surrounded only by darkness and the smell of burning flesh and ash and rotting bodies. No matter how many families are torn into bloody chunks. No many how many mothers have to say goodbye to their little children forever.

                  You’ll vote for it, because it could be worse under Trump.

                  I’d rather kill myself.

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                    2008: ‘Israel, Germany develop nuclear warning system’

                    2020: UK and Israel sign agreement on military cooperation

                    I ask for proof of “a steady supply of” material support, and you give me…

                    A jointly-developed nuclear warning system and a cooperation agreement regarding Britain and Israel exchanging expertise and Britain already having purchased Israeli-made drones for their own use.

                    Okay, I guess nearly every militarily competent country on earth has “a steady supply of” material support from NATO. We really are the illuminati.

                    I’d rather kill myself.

                    You keep going back to this. As one suicidal person to another, it’s not a fucking excuse to fuck the world after you.

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            If Isreal gets put into a bad spot they’ll start turning cities to glass, so maybe the status quo isn’t too bad

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              IF the Samson Option is real, it categorically cannot be acquiesced to, as doing so would legitimize the use of nuclear terror as a means of foreign policy.

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                  Yes, once (or twice, depending on your perspective).

                  But it hasn’t happened since because the world knows what it looks like and how difficult it would be to come back from that (partially anyway, as areas of Japan still have issues with birth defects, etc).