Edit: Enough money as in buying a PC supporting windows 11
Or have enough mon… My brother it’s free. Zero dollars.
I think the mangled English there is suggesting that some people don’t care enough, and other people have enough money (to buy Windows).
Not that it matters because who the fuck pays for Windows anyway? OEMs do, but not normal people. Everything since like Windows 7 has been a free upgrade, and normies get a new PC more often than that so get a copy with it.
OEMs do
And they pass that on to the consumer lol.
and other people have enough money
Those usually buy apple stuff, so that’s probably who it tried to mention
I seriously can’t make sense of this meme… What is it trying to say? Why is the train smashing “Linux adoption”? It seems like this meme contradicts itself at every opportunity lol
The meme actually means what it states. That people have money to buy Windows. Most people earn enough to buy their own OS.
It is kind of a blindspot, you cant imagine a meme actually stating people having enough money on hand. And they do, most of them earn a living.
Yeah, the sentence could have been worded better.
Why would they need money? Linux based OSes are both free and much lighter than Windows
The meme, which wasn’t well-written, is suggesting that the cost savings of switching to Linux isn’t significant to most people. It’s saying
Most people
- don’t care enough
- have enough money
rather than
Most people don’t
- care enough
- have enough money
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Most people will install Windows 11, complain about it, complain about the lack of Windows alternatives, then get offended and spam downvote anyone who mentions an alternative.
This pretty much sums up the pcmasterrace community and i ended up leaving because of it.
Most people will buy a computer, that computer will have Windows 11 on it, they’ll start using that computer and the pre-installed OS that came with it, and maybe, occasionally, they will complain that “this is different now” and that “they always change things, it’s so annoying” and that will be the end of it.
If you’re talking about people who install or even just upgrade the OS on their computer by themselves, are aware of such a concept as “alternative operating systems,” engage in any kind of conversation about operating systems on social media, and then care enough about the topic to downvote people who disagree with them on purely ideological grounds, you’re already talking about a tiny, tiny minority of computer users.
As tech illiterate as people are they also love complaining. Mostly complaining that Microsoft has a monopoly over computing. They generally don’t know what an OS is as you said but will still complain. Of course since they don’t know much telling them anything will get them offended as they feel that their intelligence was questioned.
I’m trying to learn Linux, got Cinnamon to dip my toes into, and love it.
And being someone who is computer literate, finding a distro that was similar to windows to learn with was a pain. With all the infighting and superiority complexs on forums, the absolute number of variations of distros, combined with the avalanche of information you need to digest just to get a basic understanding…
Yeah, I get why people will stick to Windows and ignore free/better alternatives, all while complaining. It’s just not worth it to a vast majority of users.
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People are still using facebook and reddit by the hundreds of millions or billions. Most people don’t give 2 shits about technology, just that it sort of works. Most people are Jen.
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oh you think so?
i’ll tell you, the saying:echo $(date -d “$(date +%Y) + 1 year” +%Y) will be the year of the linux desktop
has never been wrong
Yes, but their desktop is their phone.
if a shitty new windows version was gonna drive users to linux, it would have happened already…
at least twice.
Good old Windows ME.
I’d say Linux today is a lot more interesting. Plus most people still don’t really care about there OS, but some now care about privacy.
That said, I don’t know why you would complain over Win11. Privacy violations aside, it’s much better than 10 imo.
I can think of a few reasons why someone would complain about Windows 11 without touching privacy aspect at all: the number of clicks you now have to do to get even basic things done because they messed with the context menu, and speaking about changing things that were fine before: the (lack of) file explorer Ribbon and the start menu, the ChromeOS looking layout they went with not being to most people’s taste, the need for a microsoft account to even use the thing (tho you can edit the Registry to bypass this and several other grievances, even some i mentioned…why not just have those as settings/options, just saying?) etc, etc
Some of the above changes and then some + just how much of a pain it was to even upgrade to it were enough for me to move to Linux in the first place when i learned about it, so…yeah, I’d say it’s kinda bad when it made an (at the time, but you can argue I still am and I won’t despute it) tech idiot like me permanently move OS’s
What should I tell you, I immediately liked it more than Win 10.
People also use Android phones and Macs and have Accounts for that. If you seriously believe this is going to drive the masses away, I have bad news for you.
Everything you listed are just small factors among many. I’m quite positive the Steam Deck / Valve are doing more for Linux’s popularity than anything Microsoft did wrong combined.
EDIT: I can’t read, apparantly lol i read “I liked 10 more”. disregard this first bit. Oh no no, you misunderstand: I like Windows 10. Mostly because I have no strong opinion on Windows 7 and didn’t use anything prior to that (and because Windows 8 was…Windows 8) As an OS, it was pretty fine. My problem was microsoft itself (and well, the changes that 11 brought. The list of complaints was basically me going “you had a good thing with Win10, why the radical changes to something that worked well?”).
I’ve also no delusions that Microsoft making controversial changes is gonna do much for Linux growth unless its something massive, like, “we can’t come back from this” massive–but that’s very unlikely to happen. I’ve said this dozens of times before, I’ll say it again: The only way Linux adoption will grow is if someone can walk up to Best Buy (or Browse Newegg/Amazon/whathaveyou), and walk out with a laptop or desktop with Linux already installed and ready to go + maybe a small tutorial like Fedora gives when you first boot up, since Gnome will probably be the default it comes with.
The Steam Deck was a good first step, but if Linux wants adoption, they have to put out stuff that runs Linux out the box to well-known and used markets and brick and morter shops. Not in the back either, front and center where everyone can see it. Much like Chromebooks, people will get used to Linux and its quirks–but they have to be able to access it in the first place (and by that, I mean i could grab an HP laptop packing Ubuntu if i wanted to instead of one packing Windows 11, not being told “to use Linux, you have to first choose one of many distros that are out there, then go download an ISO file and burn it to a USB”)
Many people and even businesses are still running Windows XP and Windows 7 and we are still talking about security updates on Windows 10?😂 People will never take their security seriously if they don’t lose a lot of money at first…
A big problem is that there are hospitals and medical facilities using old versions of windows for reasons like the cost of upgrading all their computers or more importantly legacy software that they have to use just simply not working on more recent versions for various reasons. As much as having an up to date OS is important for safety, it’s just not feasible in some areas and it’s terrifying.
Linux so expensive
I use Linux at work. All my personal laptops are Linux. My home server is Linux…
I updated to windows 11 on my main PC and it isn’t that bad anymore. Have it working almost like 10 was.
No average user is going to give a shit about 10 -> 11
If your machine support it. Aren’t gen 7 Intel chips and earlier unsupported?
Except I had to trick my PC into upgrading. Lots of hardware that’s still perfectly good will block you from upgrading/installing W11.
I remember when xp was not supported and…people kept using it. Security bugs and all. Most people don’t really think about the os, they think about the programs they are using.
Shout out to ReactOS, who aims to be 100% compatible with Windows stuff. Too bad that they’re only likely to get there by 2050 :(
But when you’ll be looking for XP compatibility in 2050, they’re going to be the only game in town.
Why I don’t switch to Linux as my main. The video games and mod managers don’t work well on it.
If given the ability and choice too I would use Linux 10000% but not even proton can work on everything that is only for Windows.
I literally have no choice tbh as I “acquire” games I can’t afford and it’s often to hard to figure out how to install them on Linux.
I hate windows with a passion but capatilism and monopolies force me to use it.
Proton may not be perfect but it works for the vast majority of games at this point. And most mod managers can also run through Lutris, curious to hear which ones you’ve tried that didn’t work
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Even Windows struggles with running some windows games lol
In my experience, 90% of games work on Linux just by using proton. I’ve even had some of my GoG games that just absolutely did not work on modern Windows just straight up be “install and click play” on Linux via just Wine or by using Proton. The 10% that don’t are multiplayer games with heavy anticheats–which, unfortuenatly are what a lot of people play. Some of them already work (Apex, Dead by Daylight, Halo) some are getting worked on (Genshin–tho there IS a way to play it on Linux, at the risk of a ban, a buncha easy-anticheat games like Hunt: Showdown, etc) and some have just plain said a Linux version is out of the cards (Fortnite, Destiny 2 AFAIK).
Modding games also works fine on Linux, but there’s a bit of a catch: it’s not as simple as installing MO2 and Vortex (you CAN install both via Lutris or Steamtinker, but I’ve personally never gotten either to work like that so i can’t say how well it does or doesn’t), you kinda have to play around and see what works. I was able to mod Skyrim, Oblivion, Fallout New Vegas, and Morrowind exactly as i do on Windows (the former three using Rockerbacon’s Mod Organizer 2 script, the last one manually), Fallout 4 manually (haven’t tried the script since i don’t really play FO4, tho I’m sure it works), Pathfinder WOTR via using it’s mod manager in Proton, using Steam Workshop if a game supports it, and using Mod Managers for Linux when they’re available, like Baldur’s Gate 3’s LAMP. Yeah, it’s a hassle depending on the game. For me, it’s fine because I accepted long ago that there would be some annoyances to Linux, and as long as there isn’t any native mod managers built specifically for Linux and we’re stuck jury rigging mod managers made for Windows, modding will be one of those annoyances. But my tolerance is not everyone’s tolerance and I completely understand if people are put off by this and just stick to Windows for modded games.
Unfortunately that 10% of games that don’t work are extremely popular and do happen to be what I’d consider a majority of pc gamers are playing
Oh, I’m not disputing that a large chunk of gamers play games that aren’t playable on Linux yet (tho i disagree with the claim that the majority of PC gamers play those). I’ve always said “it depends on what you like to play” when it comes to gaming on Linux and I’ll stand by that until/if that stops being the case. My first point still stands tho:
The unplayable ones are a drop in the bucket. That’s a straight up fact. And some, if not most of the unplayables are getting patched to work on Linux sooner or later (save for Fortnite. Why do I pick on that one specifically? 1) I personally dislike it and Epic, but more importantly, 2) Epic’s CEO straight up shot the idea of Linux compatability down…even tho there’s nothing really stopping them from enabling Easy Anticheat on their side and making it work vs say, making something like Battle Eye Anticheat play nice with Linux).
If you look at the steam charts, the big FPS games pretty much dominate. I’d argue that does mean the majority are playing at least 1 of the incompatible games at least somewhat casually or with friends.
Most of the unplayables aren’t going to be Linux compatible. Most have come out and explicitly said so. If it hasn’t enabled Linux support by now, I’d expect it to never come.
EAC being enabled for Linux brings the security of the whole system down, which is why there’s resistance to it. You’re not able to cover nearly as much, so cheaters have exponentially more attack surface for a very minimal gain of players.
Strange, last I checked most of the top played games were also Linux compatible. Then again, the most played titles change frequently, so I’ve no doubt at least a couple of non-Linux compatible games make it up there depending on several factors like update/DLC resurrance and such.
Really? I’ve heard the opposite, but maybe their stances have changed and i just didn’t keep up with em or i was misinformed to begin with. Regardless, I have seen a couple of multiplayer games go from broken/not working at all to actually launching and being playable (as an example Naraka: Bladepoint. It also took Dead by Daylight forever to be playable on Linux, but it is now. I believe Apex was the same). Some aren’t perfect yet, but they work instead of stopping at the title screen–if even that. Sure, not all of incompatible games are gonna make it to Linux for one reason or another, but they are being brought in–albiet, i admit It’s slow as hell but hey, s’long as more people get to play what they want on the OS they choose to use at the end of the day–at least from what I’m seeing. Could be very wrong and am willing to admit so if shown otherwise.
Unfortunate, but true that.
Not even Windows can run all Windows games, so that’s kind of a hard criteria for Linux to achieve.
Windows will run a modern windows game with a lot less fiddling than Linux with wine and proton.
Most people aren’t spending a lot of time playing 20 year old games on windows 11.
i have several old systems for older games, going all the way back to a good ol’ celeron 300a.
Lose*
Tbh it kinda comes to the reason why there are some people still using Windows XP in 2023: they refuse to let go. If another operating system can give them the same experience as Windows 10 with the latest support for all applications, hopefully they’ll take that as opposed to using an outdated version of Windows.
Source: my main gaming rig is switching to arch once windows 10 reaches eol
If you’re gaming, you should be using a distro that is stable. Arch is not worth the effort if you are just doing normie stuff like front-end work
I’ve used arch before because of it’s philosophy of KISS. So far, no distro has been able to provide me with an experience as smooth as arch has. Plus I’m not just doing normie stuff I like to program sometimes.
TLDR: it’s just what I’m comfortable using so idc if using another distro is easier for what I do.
People pay for Windows with money?
I meant money as in buying a supported PC
People buy specially supported PCs for Linux?
Yes But I meant buying a new pc that supports windows 11 instead of installing Linux
Ahhh, then scop of the negation is meant to not cover “have enough money”!
I read it as not (care or enough money).
Is there some type of PC that can run windows and also can’t run Linux?
