Just seems like everything is “this company did this to their employees” and less about “this novel messaging protocol offers these measured pros and cons.” Or similar
And yes, I could post things, but I’m referring to what hits the top, 12h.
Can anyone rec communities with less of a biz and politics and wfh vs in-office vibe?
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Please stop reporting this as “not tech related, rule 2”, we welcome the feedback.
Our stance has been, if it’s in a gray area of “tech” such as tech business related, and users upvote it: that must be what the majority wants.
We will be discussing this more, as it seems some people want strictly tech related content and none of the gray area content.
I think users of this website tend to upvote whatever sentences they see which have keywords in them that they think are good.
I agree with op here, and I say forget what the upvotes are saying. they’re nonsense.
I’m a fool ruled by my amygdala. My upvotes are often nonsense.
would you like to come to my house and upvote my wife
Didn’t know how to make a meta post, or similar, thanks
But if this community community isn’t flooded with tech business articles, where are people going to post insightful comments like “fuck Google” and “switch to Firefox”?
My bugbear is all the Linux circle-jerking. I get that the fediverse has a high nerd-count (I’m one of them), but the “switch to Linux” sentiment is so tedious. Yes, Linux is great for those that have the time or inclination to learn swathes of new terminologies and procedures just to achieve the same level of productivity that the equivalent commercial data-harvesters offer in a more readily-accessible UX, but the vast majority of users simply don’t care.
This old meme couldn’t be less appropriate on Lemmy.
Edit: Not wanting to poke the bear, but the accusatory phrasing in a couple of the responses below (“you obviously haven’t used Linux in 10 years” and “you don’t really understand the motivation behind FOSS”) go some way towards emphasising the point of this comment.
Since when do people need to take into account if anyone else cares when posting to social media? They’re not content creators serving an audience.
I get it’s obnoxious sometimes but people are going to sound off about the things they care about on social media. That’s the whole point.
i get that the fediverse has a high nerd-count (I’m one of them), but the “switch to Linux” sentiment is so tedious
I genuinely don’t understand why people think this is odd. Think for a second about what the fediverse is and what it represents.
Why are we here? Why are we on the fediverse and not reddit or twitter? They both have more content, more intuitive systems, and more mature (if terrible) UXs. So why are we here?
The fediverse represents the same basic thing as a Linux OS for the average consumer: an escape from corporate controlled, locked down, and increasingly bastardized ecosystems. An open source alternative that, while taking a little more effort, rewards the user with relief from the bullshit they want to escape.
Of course it’s popular here. How could it not be?
You’ll also find early adopters tend to be more willing to put in the effort to learn new systems, and we’re barely out of the early adopter stage for the fediverse.
Since when do people need to take into account if anyone else cares when posting to social media? They’re not content creators serving an audience.
I mean, this whole post is about what content is preferable in this specific community.
IMO it’s not the “switch to Linux” sentiment itself that’s so tedious, it’s that it’s just so damn oversaturated. It’s like that guy who posted “if buying isn’t ownership then piracy isn’t stealing” like 20 times in one thread the other day. I 100% agree but OMG we get it, kindly stop saying the same damn thing over and over. It’s just annoying that every post even mentioning Microsoft or Google devolves into a sea of privacy complaints and FOSS evangelizing to the point it’s difficult to have any real conversations.
Completely agree, hence the reply to lolcatnip’s comment originally. It’s to be expected I guess, given where we are (as deweydecibel said earlier), but that doesn’t make it less annoying.
Linux is great for those that have the time or inclination to learn swathes of new terminologies and procedures just to achieve the same level of productivity
You obviously haven’t tried Linux for at least ten years. It’s really not like that.
You obviously haven’t tried Linux for at least ten years. It’s really not like that.
This is the standard response I’ve heard from Linux advocates for the last 20 years.
I know it’s easy to assume off the back of my initial comment that I might not have, but I assure you, my frustrations with Linux are not borne out of inexperience.
I am not a programmer or anything and I’ve been using Zorin full time for a while now after trying it as an experiment. I would go so far as to say it’s on par with Windows or Mac in many (not quite all) respects. Assuming you’re not dependent on some proprietary software the only switching cost these days is… learning to navigate a new system.
Just as an aside, I find it interesting that people using LEMMY of all things for social media would perceive FOSS systems as inferior. I guess that’s a testament to how far along ActivityPub development has come.
I wouldn’t disagree, and I’m not saying FOSS is inferior, I’m just whinging about the Linux evangelising.
There is no perfect OS that can have universal approval. However if I’d I said “Windows is a data-harvesting nightmare” or “Being locked in to Apple ecosystems is constricting and expensive” then I’m sure I’d see the upvote button hammered on Lemmy. But to seemingly question the validity of Linux as a silver bullet for the vast majority of desktop users is borderline heresy.
I won’t dispute that fanboyism is thing, but also I don’t think many evangelists as it were view Linux as a “silver bullet”, just as the most ethical option given the alternatives. And they feel very strong feelings about this, that come across as Weird and Scary to people not used to seeing software treated with the same enthusiasm as politics.
Also, I should add that many view open source software as having the potential to one day be the “silver bullet” in a way commercial software can never be due to it’s structure.
I’ve been reading about its potential for a long time. Maybe next year will be the year of Linux ;)
If your barometer for “potential” relies on market share, then you don’t really understand what motivates a person to contribute effort to a FOSS project in the first place.
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Which is it? Are you seeing this complaint constantly, or is it a spicy individual opinion?
I’d probably say my preference to have fewer default knee-jerk recommendations for Linux within various tech posts about other systems isn’t particularly unpopular, if only going by the up/downvote count. Even if it was the other way around, I’d stand by it, however antagonistic you might find my “bravery”.
I mean you are trying to poke the bear. And you’re pretending that people don’t constantly make recommendations all the fucking time. They do. Everywhere about everything. That’s how marketing and grass roots campaigning works. What I think is more interesting is why you’re doing these two things - is your shame of being nerdy so deep that you prefer to try and shame others for not being ashamed?
is your shame of being nerdy so deep that you prefer to try and shame others for not being ashamed?
This response couldn’t be a more perfect example of what I’m saying. Thank you.
It really isn’t. I’m not supporting or promoting Linux, I’m not discussing the subject matter at all and I have no skin in the game. What occurred to me is why you needed to identify as a nerd and then drop trow and proceed to shit on nerds.
Your response is precisely the reaction I referenced by the edit. Why is it personal? “You don’t understand FOSS” “You clearly don’t use Linux” and now, beautifully, “You’re ashamed of being a nerd”.
I called out the behaviour you’re exhibiting. That’s not personal, it’s observation. Please clarify why you are allowed to make observations about people but they can’t make observations about you. Calling something “personal” is meaningless.
Nah mate, you can have this one. This is where I drop off. Jumping into a topic with “you must be ashamed of being a nerd“ is never going to provoke a worthwhile discussion.
Not to mention most of the commenters just hate on the technology too, every article about any type of transportation that isn’t trains people just shit on it in the comments. “How is this gonna save the planet?” “Why does this need to exist?”
Hating technology should be its own community.
Quite candidly, it’s not articles selling the spiel of tech bros that is going to help us. I’m one of those commenters and I also wish “Technology” was about technology instead of trying to sell the latest gadgetbahn or a solar road or self driving cars.
EDIT: It’s not technically about “helping us”, but more specifically about the kind of spiel those “articles” are trying to push. It may very well be about technology, but it’s misrepresented as something that could help us and save us in the future while in reality, it’s just marginally interesting, Think about how many articles there has been about bitcoins, NFTs, AI and crap like this, coming from techbros and their simps. That’s why you’ll see the sort of comments you complain about. It certainly is tech, but it’s more like tech they’re trying to hype, misrepresent and sell.
I love tech. I work in IT. But I can also smell BS and will not hesitate to point it out.
Well said. I like how the communities on Lemmy have a lot of tech and FOSS people who are able to recognize (and call out) a repackaged sales pitch. I understand most mainstream publications have to pay the bills, but so many of the “journalists” are just caught up in the hype cycle.
AI isn’t anything like NFTs and Bitcoin, it has an actual use case and is being leveraged by a significant number of white collar workers to automate small tasks and take the sifting out of search engines.
But it is like crypto in that a lot of the attention it’s getting thinks it’s something that it isn’t right now. It might be that in the future but AI has a long way to go still.
Crypto never will be anything, that’s the point I’m making.
AI is a tool, a good one. It can’t take your job anymore than the cotton gin took the job of textile workers, but the professional can make plenty of use to help shorten their workdays with it. As it gets integrated into private companies data environments you’ll see more in house models trained on company data that will assist cloud engineers and data engineers in getting things straightened out.
Crypto is a invented currency that was only good for buying drugs and NFT’s are literally a scam.
Totally agree!
“Here’s some incremental progress that is a possibly interesting technological improvement.”
" Omg it isn’t literally perfect and exactly aligning with my interests. Literal capitalist trash, zero value, no one wants it"
In my experience it’s been quite the opposite. The press release will be “here’s some shiny new big deal” and the comments in this community will point out that it’s not only nothing new, but often actively working against users’ interests.
Like Meta totally joining the Fediverse or Apple ““fully”” adopting RCS despite both those companies having a long history of anti-interoperability practices. There’s a lot of BS that comes out of silicon valley, and there aren’t a lot of good journalists able (or willing) to rightfully understand what’s being said, so they repeat the big claims without proper context.
You forgot to call it fascist. That’s a word people with that attitude tend to throw around a lot.
I think this is a flaw in the current state of Lemmy. There’s so few posts compared to Reddit that random people will find your 3 upvoted post in all. This leads to people outside of the community dominating the discussion.
You can also see this with other communities. Everytime I see the conservative one in All it’s a non conservative OP being insulted by other non conservatives, because they assumed OP must be a conservative to post there.
There being an anti tech community won’t solve this issue. I think the most accessible solution is moderation.
Check out Ars Technica. I’ve always enjoyed the fact that the are more technical than average news sources. For example, when they report on a software security vulnerability, they’ll actually go into the command line and try it for themselves. Pretty good reporters which more than basic tech knowledge, if you ask me…
I liked them until they started posting clickbait.
Some of their headlines can be shitty, but I find that most of their articles are great once you dive into them. Except for their Wired cross publication stories, those mostly suck.
Eric Berger’s space articles are fantastic. Well minus a recent article of his where he hand waved away Elon being a shitheel. On a technical level they’re great.
Ars’ quality dropped badly about 10 years ago, around the same time New Scientist went to shit. A lot of their articles are now uncritical regurgitations of press releases. Even the one guy they had doing really detailed investigative pieces on the videogame industry up and left probably 5 years ago.
Also they never followed through on their promise to give us an everything-but-apple RSS feed.
And they’re on the Fediverse! @arstechnica@mastodon.social
Great, now I just read an article about no printers and am so enraged
It would be nice if there were separate Tech Industry and Technology News communities.
Totally agree
There is a “Business” community, ideally the mods should remove any links that are “company a lays off workers” or “Elon Musk is stupid again” and re-direct them to Business, where the business decisions belong.
I bring this up all the time when I can be arsed and people always rebute with “but it’s about a company that makes/uses tech”, completely missing the point I was making saying that shouldn’t be the criteria for content here. It’s exhausting.
HackerNews(ycomb) is a veritable gold mine but I find the community to be a bit caustic at times.
There is a HackerNews mirror on Lemmy here that I like but not too many people comment. If I saw more activity I’d probably comment more.
but I find the community to be a bit caustic at times
I find the same can be true around here too, though.
Wayyyyy too many libertarians on hacker news who have experienced a lot of personal success in their life and have transformed that success into an utter lack of intellectual maturity or ability to empathize with others less fortunate than them.
Good info, but wow I have read enough hacker news that I have almost zero interest in talking to tech people in real life at this point, they can be so aggressively naive and are always focused on incredibly narrow visions of the future that as a rule don’t center humans as the most valuable part of society/economy. If aliens came to earth and offered them a new algorithm in exchange for enslaving all of the planet, they would shrug their shoulders and say “We can’t stand in the way of progress, I might as well do it, somebody else will if I don’t!”. It makes me thankful a physicist developed the nuclear bomb not a tech person or I am sure we would all be dead right now.
Good info though and fun to troll libertarians if you are into that kink.
Repost it here if you find something interesting. I read a little ycomb but it’s a firehose and discussion is typically bad as you said.
Lemmy needs more reposting from other blogs. Filtering content is useful. Not everything needs to be original.
There is a HackerNews mirror on Lemmy
Mind sharing?
Honestly, we need tech business news vs technology in general, but technology also probably should be split between hardware and software. Or maybe computer vs the rest.
Computer vs the rest.
I’d love to see posts about new materials, manufacturing processes, waste management, engineering techniques, mechanical designs and tests.
But nope, it’s just computers computers computers. If you can’t do it on your PC at home it doesn’t count as tech, apparently.
I sometimes read ieee spectrum for that stuff
There was a r/HardwareNews on Reddit.
We could implement it but I have not the time nor the will to moderate a community.
On Reddit we had r/hardware which was great for this
Here we have !hardware@lemmy.ml but I haven’t checked it out much yet
Looks like it’s mostly PC hardware
And there was r/gadget . Funny thing, I went from r/technology to r/gadget for the same reason : r/technology was 90% business news
Blogs are really the only way now. At least in my life, it and RSS are making a big comeback. So if you know of any good blogs let me know
RSS has been coming back for me big time too. Which blogs do you follow?
my list:
- 'Coon Cave on APK Downloader
- Songs on the Security of Networks
- Ajay Ramachandran’s Blog
- Arya’s blog
- Blog | Pablo Berganza
- Cadence’s Weblog
- David Revoy
- Drew DeVault’s blog
- Intuitive Explanations
- Luke’s Webpage
- Ryan Dahl
- Ryan Mulligan
- TheFrenchGhosty’s Blog
- Vidar’s Blog
- Zibaldone
- garrit.xyz
- jeena.net
- meyerweb
- shaky.sh
share yours now :)
Here’s a link to my OPML export
I also am curious about this.
We need webrings to come back for better discoverability. Also, how do you consume RSS?
RSS yes. I love it.
Blogs…eh. the only time I read a blog is if it contains a solution I’ve searched for.
The problem is all the s*** we really want to hear about all the companies are keeping close to their breast.
Then, when something actually novel and interesting comes out it ends up being polarizing. We can only consume so much Chat GPT Gemini Bard crap.
We should start a tech community on the federal verse about technologies people are passionate about. Get some people to talk about cool s*** they’ve done with Wyoming, Piper and whisper. Maybe have some people talk about their local mini installs of LLMS, for how they’re getting the most out of stable diffusion. Maybe some people looking at Obsidian or Anytype, maybe some NixOS
There’s lots of cool stuff out there to cover there’s just not a lot of news about it these days. If it’s not AI they’re afraid people’s eyes will just glaze over.
You are allowed to say “shit” here
Voice dictation. I need the censorship on for some places, but the setting is buried enough that turning it on and off is arduous. Unfortunately that means that gracing the world with my profanity is only for a times where I can be at the keys.
I don’t agree with your first two phrases but strongly agree with the later ones.
Fair
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I don’t think people should have to put extra filters to get what they signed up for when they subscribed to “technology”
Blocking “Musk” has made Lemmy much more enjoyable for me!
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Elon, Musk, and Twitter are my three banned words at the moment. I would add X but I’m weary of the false positives.
What? I can’t hear you.
How do you block words? Can you do it from the site or is it just in some of the lemmy apps
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I do t know how OP does it but I use Boost on Android which has this functionality
Fucking A OP
It’s off site, but hackaday.com is great for (mostly) electronics and computer tech articles.
