It seems like France stands out among terrorist attacks in the news. Is it because they are more likely to be critical of Muslim culture than other European nations? Is it because there is a security failure allowing terrorist to come in and organize better?
France has a social classes problem. There is class segregation everywhere. If you are poor you live in a neighborhood where everyone is poor and since everyone is poor there isn’t enough money to invest in the neighborhood. So these neighborhoods are neglected. As a result many poor youths are unable to climb the social ladder and thus some will end up living a life of crime. And so it happens that many migrants who came to France and Western Europe as a whole were poor. Since Western Europe wanted cheap labor. Sweden has the same problems as France with their migrants. Since many cities in Sweden are also segregated along the classes.
Genuine question: Are there any countries that aren’t segregated by income? Because I think that’s been true of everywhere I’ve ever been.
Eastern Europe in general can be like that. You can have grandmas living next door to rich families.
That is slowly changing, however, as the rich move to secluded spots in the countryside, middle class moves to the suburbs and the super poor move to the dachas. The flats in the cities are still getting more expensive somehow.
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Alright, the real reason why you see terrorism in France more than others, is from what we in Denmark call the Muhammad Crisis.
A Danish satire drawing of Muhammad with a bomb was published in a Danish newspaper. The papers HQ got attacked. A small one, but still significant in Denmark.
France newspaper L’Equipe then reprinted the drawing more than once as a protest for free speech. After that France became a prime target for these kind of terrorists.
The driving terrorism in Nice, bombings in Paris and at L’Equipes HQ, it all happened after that.
This created alot of bad blood between these cultures, and that long going hate is what keeps France a prime target.
To blame the terrorist attacks France has suffered on a cartoon by a niche newspaper is a rather blinded look at the situation, and ignores pretty much everything about the state of the world in the past few hundred years as well as modern times.
I hope no one walks away thinking this comment is correct.
I hope no one thinks this is the whole explanation, but it’s part of history that is not known by many.
It’s a tiny part that doesn’t have much relevance today. And it’s not a hidden history it was big news for years.
I totally agree with you on this. I can somehow sense that the law against Islamic practitioners has been tightened more and more, e.g. regarding hijab, after that. It’s like if you cant be us, you can no longer be tolerated; you’re not one of us.
The Hebdo drawing wasn’t light hearted fun though, it was right wingers trying to wind up religious people. Obviously there’s never any excuse for murder but publicly attacking a whole religion will upset a lot of people, and things can lead on from that.
Her clothing wasn’t tasteful, though. It was a woman’s attempt to wind up men. Obviously there’s no excuse for rape, but wearing clothing in public designed to be provocative will attract attention from a lot of people, and things can lead on from that.
What a wild false equivelency!
A persons clothing is a personal choice.
Ripping off a strangers clothing in the street is an attack.
Meanwhile, the Onion published this: image and as they said, nobody was shot.
They were not right winger by any way, quite the opposite, they were100% anticlerical far left. Maybe stop talking about something you know nothing about?
Since when are racists far left? Are you drunk?
There are less terrorist attacks in France than mass shootings in the USA, per year, per capita.
So, no, it doesn’t have a problem.
I think the whole world has a terrorism problem. Even countries that have traditionally been very neutral and peaceful are having problems with young men committing acts of terrorist aggression. It’s everywhere now.
I don’t think it is a problem of fixing security, as most terrorists are “home grown,” they don’t come in from outside countries. The home grown terrorists very likely are influenced by things going on in other countries, but usually they are natives to the country they terrorize.
It’s a problem of raising better kids. Of doing the hard thing to keep your child off the streets and away from drugs and guns. Of making people understand why hurting others is more than just unethical or immoral, it’s a path toward self-destruction and misery for everyone. And, we ought to be assigning more officers to ensure people go make their mental health appointments, as everyone should be doing.
The world of human beings is as sick place. Men value the wrong things and the wrong ideas. And especially young, gullible, highly impressionable men. We need to make sure resources are available and utlilized to keep young men in school and out of trouble and to get counseling. Most of them need it very badly. And we need to pass strict gun control measures - not a popular sentiment, but an accurate one. It has to happen or we’ll never be able to overcome this dilemma at all.
I think it’s important to understand why these people are mad. It’s really simplistic to say ‘raise better kids’, and the point of teaching people not to hurt is a bit tricky when positioned in a world where people are being hurt constantly.
Any good person raised in an environment where their own country is murdering children is going to have questions. You feel helpless when the whole world is comfortable with inhumane torture.
The problem that needs fixing is much much wider.
I didnt’ really have room to write more about what the term “raise better kids” would entail, but obviously ti would mean getting to the root of why these people are mad. That’s why I mentioned the need for mental counseling, which is sorely needed in a world where parents don’t bother to find out why their kids are upset and don’t or won’t see the red flags in front of them.
Yes the problem is much wider than this limited space can give a voice to. But you won’t solve the problems of the world by trying to throw one size fits all solutions onto the situation and attempting to look at the forest but not the trees. You can’t conquer a global problem by a global solution, it requires one on one kind of treatment, and has to start at home or in school.
I agree with most of this, but the parts that are odd to me sound like the results of a fairly typical sort of leftist bubble.
Gun control, for instance, is actually popular with the public at large. If the gun lobby weren’t so wealthy, this would probably be a nothing-burger, something we tackled years ago. Here’s some gallup data in some nice tables and graphs, going back years: https://news.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx
Similar with immigration, though, if you address a problem, you can’t campaign on it any more. Since conservatives don’t really want a whole lot to change, ever really, they generally can’t campaign on accomplishments and solutions. So, they campaign on the problems they refuse to fix instead. And occasionally coming up with some weird new one to get people riled up over. But guns are a pretty consistent one for them. Remember how Obama was going to take all their guns away?
