As Windows 10 end of life approaches, analysts are concerned that millions of devices will be scrapped due to incompatibility

Windows 10 end of life could prompt torrent of e-waste as 240 million devices set for scrapheap::As Windows 10 end of life approaches, analysts are concerned that millions of devices will be scrapped due to incompatibility

  • AA5B@lemmy.worldEnglish
    491·
    9 months ago

    Cool, I need some cheap Linux servers to build out my home lab

  • newcockroach@lemmy.worldEnglish
    372·
    9 months ago

    Where can i get this waste .my linux pengiun will love it🤩.but it saddens me that people relay on windows so much.

    • Corkyskog@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      318·
      9 months ago

      This is corporate talk, no ones work station is going to be running Linux anytime soon.

      Oh yeah everyone, tell me where you work with Linux?

      • Crack0n7uesday@lemmy.worldEnglish
        4·
        9 months ago

        Large ISP, in the global operations computing department. I am an exception to the rule though. I mostly touch network gear and *NIX servers so I’m not limited to Linux but I will say most of our *NIX stuff is RHEL now and doesn’t even boot past run level three so it’s all CLI.

  • GreenBottles@lemmy.worldEnglish
    374·
    9 months ago

    Windows 10 should not require such a short life time. 11 isnt much different other than the security\TPM chip shit. And 11 is fucking terrible UX

    • Josh@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      20·
      9 months ago

      I like that it’s completely arbitrary and you can force windows 11 to install on unsupported hardware.

      • CmdrShepard42@lemm.eeEnglish
        11·
        9 months ago

        In one sense, I’m glad they put this stupid barrier up so that I don’t have to keep deleting the forced upgrade as part of regular Windows Updates like I did with Win10, but on the other hand it’s bullshit that they’re creating so much waste for no other reason than personal profit for their company.

      • ichbinjasokreativ@lemmy.worldEnglish
        6·
        9 months ago

        You just need to set a couple of registry bypasses and you can upgrade any Computer to Windows 11. Downside is that some security features won’t work, but its not a big deal for consumers.

    • Kecessa@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      36·
      9 months ago

      TPM 2.0 will be over 10 years old at that point, I’m pretty sure most of the hardware they’re talking about will have been retired by then no matter the support for Windows 10.

      • darth_helmet@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        5·
        9 months ago

        I built a $1500 pc 6 years ago that doesn’t have a tpm. One gpu upgrade and this thing still does everything I want it for, including running modern games and VR with entirely acceptable performance. When windows 10 stops getting security updates, I’m just going to install arch on it.

        • Kecessa@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          21·
          9 months ago

          It was on everything Intel starting in October 2017 (8th gen) and a year later it started on AMD’s consumer grade hardware with full integration in 2019 (3000 series)…

          So 11 years after it started existing W10 stops receiving free updates, 10 years after the tech was fully integrated W10 stops receiving free and paid updates… And that’s not taking into consideration that W11 can still be installed on unsupported hardware…

          • darth_helmet@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            3·
            9 months ago

            I must have missed the cutoff by a couple of months. But here’s the thing: that cpu is still more than enough to drive 60fps on all the games I play, which includes typically demanding categories like fps, while running discord and YouTube and recording software. So the fact that Microsoft decided to fuck me over feels bad. TPM is garbage design from the hardware up, but I know to run secure workloads in secure places already.

            The right thing to do should have been to force oem-licensed win11 to have TPM, and allowed retail versions to install with a pop up about security features which won’t be supported without it. Fuck Microsoft for not doing this obvious, simple thing.

  • pixelscience@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    29·
    9 months ago

    All these machines will continue to run, so if they’re not going to upgrade to win 11 and buy a new machine then what does it matter. They’ll just use a win 10 machine with no updates forever. Security concerns aside obviously.

    • TheBob@lemmy.worldEnglish
      3·
      9 months ago

      It’s corporations. Mine is currently replacing like 30% of our PCs because they’re not Windows 11 ready.

  • wabafee@lemmy.worldEnglish
    283·
    9 months ago

    This will be interesting, maybe this will push for huge adoption for linux. This could also mean a lot of old hardware that are still very capable goes to 2nd hand market in turn lowering prices for pc. Or nothing happens and most of the people will be in a compromise OS for years similar to what happen with windows xp debacle. There also another situation where Microsoft does backtrack on its decision and the same status quo would remain for years to come.

    • cyberpunk007@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2·
      9 months ago

      I am hoping for this but unless Microsoft puts a banner on 10 saying you should switch because x,y,z I don’t see it happening for a majority because a lot of people probably don’t even know how to install windows from scratch.

  • reddig33@lemmy.worldEnglish
    274·
    9 months ago

    Google should be pushing ChromeOS towards people and businesses with this kind of hardware. It’s a perfect way to capture market share from Microsoft.

    • Noerttipertti@sopuli.xyzEnglish
      1·
      9 months ago

      Nah. Google decides to ban your account for whatever reason, and your files and mails are gone, and you can’t even login to your computer. Linux is just as easy as windows nowadays, and in some cases even better for gaming.

  • kingthrillgore@lemmy.mlEnglish
    221·
    9 months ago

    I can’t upgrade to W11, I can’t afford nor am I ready to upgrade my gaming PC, its likely I’ll be moving to Linux or keeping to use W10 w/o support.

    Microsoft really did no favors with limiting official W11 support. Its not just TPM.

    • A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.worldEnglish
      131·
      9 months ago

      I migrated to linux when Windows 7 died. So I’m you from years ago, lol.

      If you’d like any advice, I would just say check ProtonDB for the games you regularly play (especially if they are MMOs) to make sure they work, cause anything that uses restrictive kernal level anticheats arent going to run.

      and if you are looking for a distro, I would personally recommend Nobara. it stays up to date, it has a lot of the gaming stuff built in (Some of which might require compiling from github otherwise), and its been rock solid for me personally. but you should poke around and find whatever tickles your fancy… and anything you don’t get from X, that you can get from Y, can usually be manually installed on Z.

    • thejodie@programming.devEnglish
      1·
      9 months ago

      This obviously doesn’t solve any of the larger problem about MS pushing TPM, but you can bypass most of those W11 requirements.

  • notannpc@lemmy.worldEnglish
    18·
    9 months ago

    How many non-tech people actually know about this? And how many of that small percentage are actually going to toss their computer as a result of it?

    Because for the average computer user, they will never wonder why there are no more updates. And as long as their computer still browses the internet they don’t care even if you notify them.

    Microsoft tried for years to get people off of fucking internet explorer and barely succeeded.

    • eluvatar@programming.devEnglish
      5·
      9 months ago

      Yeah, no one actually cares. Just look at phones, people don’t actually stop using them when they aren’t supported and don’t care as long as it keeps working.

      • notannpc@lemmy.worldEnglish
        5·
        9 months ago

        You underestimate people’s ability to dismiss pop ups and notifications without retaining any of the information in them.

  • Blackmist@feddit.ukEnglish
    18·
    9 months ago

    Incompatibility with what? Things are only just starting to be incompatible with Windows 7. I’ve still got customers running variants of Windows XP.

    And Windows 11 doesn’t really contain much that won’t work on 10.

    I reckon the TPM and secure boot requirements will eventually be dropped. They’re the Kinect of Windows 11.

    • hamid@lemmy.worldEnglish
      5·
      9 months ago

      You’re probably not correct about TPM and secure boot being dropped. Microsoft’s entire enterprise line of security products including Intune and Defender for Endpoint are integrated to it and Microsoft Azure AD/Entra ID uses it for their certificate based enrollment and authentication. This is their primary profit drivers, not consumers.

      • Rednax@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        9 months ago

        Disabling the tpm requirement is just a registry hack in win 10, or a selectable option when creating an install usb with rufus.

        I think they will make a simple calculation; What is going to cost more: The bad PR of nolonger updating 240 million pc’s, or accepting that a small portion of your users does not have tpm?

        They haven’t stopped advanced users from installing win11 on older hardware so far. So no loss there. I also doubt they lose enterprise money if they allow win10 to upgrade regardless, as tpm is now well entrenched as the default on new hardware.

    • Maggoty@lemmy.worldEnglish
      3·
      9 months ago

      I’m still not even sure why they decided to require TPM anyways. But yeah my computer is among the many that can’t upgrade until that’s gone. I guess it’s either that or I learn a lot more about Linux…

      • jdaxe@infosec.pubEnglish
        6·
        9 months ago

        At least if you switch to Linux there’s no shortage of people on the fediverse willing to answer questions.

        • abbotsbury@lemmy.worldEnglish
          6·
          9 months ago

          There should be a “Linux hotline” community where people can post whatever is stopping them from switching and get solutions

          • DarthBueller@lemmy.worldEnglish
            9·
            9 months ago

            Elsewhere, Linux support areas seem more likely than not to have a large contingent of “WHY ARE YOU ASKING A DUMB QUESTION, you horror of a human being? Why didn’t you Search the site for words you don’t know using our broken search engine, instead of infecting us with your congenital idiocy?” folks.

  • megane-kun@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    192·
    9 months ago

    I’ve kept a Windows 10 install on a separate SSD for the programs that stubbornly refuse to run on Linux (games, in my case). However, I won’t be upgrading that to Windows 11. I’ll just reclaim that SSD for other purposes and use Linux exclusively.

    • TheBob@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2·
      9 months ago

      I bought a cheap PSIe card that physically cuts the power to ssds. I just shut down and hit the button then power back on for my windows install. I rarely use it, so this makes it easy when I do without having to have a whole PC or grub menu EVERY boot

      • megane-kun@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        1·
        9 months ago

        Huh, that’s interesting. I’ve gotten used to using the Grub menu every time I had to reboot (which is quite often), but it defaults to the Linux installation (auto-selects the Linux install after a timeout), so if I want to go to Windows, I’ll just have to make sure I catch the Grub menu.

  • Treczoks@lemmy.worldEnglish
    17·
    9 months ago

    OK, half of them were trash, anyway. But the other half can still be a good Linux box. Wipe them, install Linux, and give it to schools so children can learn that there is something better than Windows.

    • scops@reddthat.comEnglish
      8·
      9 months ago

      Half? Bet that number is higher. Linux can run on a potato if you find the right distro.

      • Treczoks@lemmy.worldEnglish
        41·
        9 months ago

        While you can run Linux on a potatoe, we would not making new friends that way. I have tried to use a RPi2b as a machine with GUI and browser, but I would not recommend this as an example for a Linux system for the uninitiated.