Ive seen that pixelfed and peertube have the ability to add a licence to content. I think this would be great for everyone so we can get ahead of threads and have collective bargaining power when they inevitable put our content between ads.
Heres the pixelfed duscyssion on the issue: https://github.com/pixelfed/pixelfed/issues/13 Here is mastadons discussion: https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/issues/20079
Im not sure if lemmy has a discussion yet i may create one later if one doesnt already exist.
I don’t have a particular problem with instances deciding that they want to fund themselves through advertising. When the Fediverse was developing, one of my predictions was that instances would come up with multiple different ways to fund each other including donations, subscriptions and advertising.
Do you never e-mail people with gmail or yahoo addresses?
Then a good solution would be a license that specifically disallows any entity that works with/for Meta to use your content for advertising.
Your welcome to licence ur content so that can happen if you’d like to. Id prefer not to support that and to have some backing against that.
The social media companies seem to think their data is valuable. If we licence it then they canot extract value from it therefore they have no reason to exert influence over the fediverse.
This is as dumb as idea as charging for links eg Canada or fucking reposting a terms of service on your Facebook page. And you’ll just go steal some content from YouTube because it’s not stealing it’s copying 🤣
Take whan happened in canada with a grain of salt cause that’s as monopoly vs monopoly, of course the outcome is gonna be as functional as a 2 y/o whining contest
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So, if some indy developer creates an app for the Fediverse and decides to support himself by putting ads in it rather than requiring people to pay for it, he’s hooped?
If they’re trying to profit off of content on instances they don’t have licensing to them yes, they cannot steal that content. We would want instance wide licensing that would be attached to each post that explicitly states the content cannot be used alongside ads to generate revenue. Some instances may choose not to have this licensing so their content could be used with ads, but it would prevent companies from stealing content posted by people who don’t want this. The value in any social media is the user base, the cost of ad space goes up the more people use the social media, to get users you need engaging new content all the time, with the fideverse anyone can pull content and display it on their instance, some users don’t want to create the content that someone else uses to make money.
Creating a paid or ad-supported client app for a website isn’t profiting off of content, it’s profiting off of the user’s desire for a better mobile experience. There’s no ‘stealing’, the developer never has access to nor purports to own any of the content themselves- it’s simply a voluntary intermediary for a user to access their own account with their own content feed.
That said, any client apps that run ads are dumb and will fail miserably. It’s awful for UX. Just so long as client apps can be monetized in other ways I think it’s fine to adopt a license that prohibits specifically ads.
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So we need something more than a ccbync to prevent ads being put next to content?
I believe the other platforms do it individualy by post so u as a user can choose. I reccon this is a better implementation than instance wide but i suppose an instance coild have a default.
Instance default makes sense
Most users won’t mess with settings and details. Then if a user wants, they can select from a specific set of licenses (with simple language explanations for what they mean)
Exactly the implementation i was invisioning.
If they want to make money off my content, they can pay me my share of their profits.
I don’t care if its meta or some indy dev my content and my data belong to me and i should have the right to licence it how i feel fit…
I find it so ironic that people come to the Fediverse, an explicitly open protocol, and then get super possessive about “their data” and demand all kinds of controls over how it’s used that even the big centralized walled gardens like Reddit don’t provide.
You’re posting publicly in a public forum that’s designed to spread your comments far and wide to systems all over the world. I don’t think you’re going to have much luck at enforcing those rights.
Just cos its open doesnt mean im giving it away for use in any purpose. I still own it im just allowing the rest if the fediverse to ses it and respond to it.
Sight is an explicitly open protocal anyone i meet can see my face doesnt mean they have the right to profit from the likeness of my face.
You’re free to feel how you want to feel, but it’s worth talking about how this might affect existing and future development for the fediverse
Large corporations have a knack for getting around (or straight up ignoring) restrictions that stop others. Just look at how they profit from existing licensed content, and pay a tiny fee when someone finally wins a legal case against them. I think the commenter above is also saying that it would suck if a change kills off smaller dev projects and makes it so only giant corporations can do it.
Not that this is the wrong idea, just that it’s worth thinking about. On top of ads, other areas licensing may help with are privacy and use in training data for LLMs
Im sure they will just totally ignore licencing but in the long term its going to give us a lot of collective bargaining power when it comes to corporations tryung to prifit from the fedivsere.
My ideal implementation would be each post has a licence decided by the poster and each instance has a default. In that case if u wanna post with a free for anyone to do anything go ahead its your choice.
The only privacy the fediverse provides is through anonymity i doubt licencing would effect that at all. But llm training it could force a lot more opensource into this world.
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I think we should just create content for our own joyous reasons and know that people who monetize other people’s content are empty vessels who will never experience God’s grace.
You can’t wait on “god” to solve your problems. Licensing should be handled instance wide to prevent co.panies from freely stealing content.
I have no idea if I should add a /s flag here but really, everyone try having fun for fun’s sake. I’m basically an atheist so I was joking when I said “God’s grace” but you can still do things just for fun or to create a little spark of inspiration in the world.
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Can I have some of what you’re smoking?
Dunno where have you been the last year, or the last 55, but those who “never experience God’s grace” still experience all the graces of capitalism and techno-feudalism, which is what currently matters.
I was joking about the God’s grace thing. I’m not religious.
I just meant if you make a joke and someone steals it, who cares? There’s always low-life bozos who steal content and repost it with “Who did this, fam? 😭😭😭” If you want to monetize your content, do what I do and dress as a waifu and play Doki Doki Panic for 14 hours a day on Twitch. It ain’t much but it’s honest work. (Except for the Waifu costume.)
