• Pyrozo007@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      16
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      1 year ago

      I couldn’t disagree more, many people may not fit into genders, but most people do and simply knowing whether someone is a man or a woman is very useful. Gendered nouns though, like in French, Spanish, Italian etc. serve no purpose but do encode redundancy into the language which can be very valuable for speaking in loud places

      • Shifty McCool@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        12
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        1 year ago

        Other languages get around just fine without gendered pronouns. I bet there are other languages that feel like English is missing valuable concepts as well (not necessarily gender-related) , but we don’t miss them since we never had them.

        • Pyrozo007@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          13
          ·
          1 year ago

          I didn’t say they didn’t, simply that the idea that “Gendered words serve no purpose” is untrue, they are very useful.

      • jpeps@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        16
        arrow-down
        5
        ·
        1 year ago

        It should be unimportant, but some people kick up such a fuss about having to learn new things or changing what they claim is ‘natural’ that it is important to a lot of people. Gender is both a social construct, and a very real thing that does warrant discussion.

      • whenigrowup356@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        10
        arrow-down
        3
        ·
        1 year ago

        The fight over pronouns is just the first step in “othering” trans people. It helps to reinforce the idea that they’re strange, not like you, not traditional, not natural.

        The next steps are to deny healthcare, access to equal treatment from discrimination, things like that. There are leaders in the USA making statements that transgenderism should be “eradicated.”

        If you aren’t dealing with shit like this in your area, I’m genuinely happy for you and I hope this never comes near you. But for lots of people, it’s quite a bit more serious than a first world problem.

          • whenigrowup356@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            10
            arrow-down
            2
            ·
            1 year ago

            As I said, the pronoun conversation isn’t really about pronouns. It’s about tribalism and scapegoating.

            How much time did you spend thinking about pronouns or trans people before gay and lesbian relationships began to be normalized and legalized in The West?

            Trans people have a new target on their backs because most people don’t know someone who is trans and thus don’t understand them. They’re a scapegoat for right-wing groups to organize and fight against because they lost the ability to be quite so open with their homophobia.

            Trans people are, according to some studies, as high as 4 times as likely to be victims of sexual assault and 3.5 times as likely to commit suicide.

            Again, this is serious. Trans lives matter, Period.

            • Mighty@lemmy.worldOP
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              3
              arrow-down
              2
              ·
              1 year ago

              PREACH! trans people are being killed for existing. and this priviledged person is all like “dOn’T yOu hAvE rEaL pRoBlEmS?!”

              • whenigrowup356@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                2
                arrow-down
                1
                ·
                1 year ago

                Thanks. Some people really don’t get it so I try to communicate in good faith on this issue but damn does it feel like banging your head into a brick wall sometimes.

      • Shifty McCool@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        5
        arrow-down
        4
        ·
        1 year ago

        I say nearly this same thing, which is probably similar to what every generation says about the next one. Wait until they “grow up” and find out what real problems are. Your pronoun won’t mean much if you lose your job and have to figure out how to pay the mortgage and for groceries before your kids starve.

      • DharkStare@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        1 year ago

        That always messed me up in Spanish class. Trying to remember the gender of objects so the rest of the sentence could be gendered properly.