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The internet is srs bzns.
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Einstein Says is arguably a much better template.
But what if we enjoy doing that?
“It’s just a joke” is such a tired excuse for being called out on your shitty opinions
I prefer to put my swap partition on CD-RW.
Personally enjoy my swap on an iPod
Yeah, never had a problem with incompatible hardware on Linux.
No siree, not a once!
Such an up and down though. I have an ancient epson scanner that cannot be used on modern windows, but I just installed the driver on linux and everything has been amazing.
Like pre-usb ancient or what?
Not quite that old, it is connectet via USB-B. Windows drivers only exist for 32 Bit systems, on linux the drrivers come in a deb package that works on modern installations.
You can install 32 bit drivers on Windows 11 though, it supports both.
He might have oversimplified to assume it was the 32-bitness that is the problem. Could be an ancient Windows Driver Model version that is no longer supported. Could have been that there were no signed drivers, or at least no drivers that are signed in a way that would pass today.
The thing is that Windows banks on extended binary driver compatibility for running “old” hardware, but breaks that compatibility ever so often, and they don’t have first-party investment in drivers for hardware and third-parties would eschew standard multiple device drivers that would have worked fine in favor of their own branded driver/app experience. In Linux, mostly those devices get covered by generic multi-vendor drivers that are better maintained.
Makes even less sense. 20 year old usb Epson flatbed scanner here that plugs into any win10/11 system and works without any fiddling, and that’s generally consistent with any usb hardware on Windows. I’m not saying linux isn’t a good solution to get problematic old hardware working, but let’s be real here.
This is not a problem with Linux, this is a problem with hardware manufacturers not making drivers for Linux.
Which is understandable, honestly. Making drivers is surely not an easy task. Targeting Windows covers the 80/20 rule.
I just broke out into a cold sweat remembering trying to get wifi to function on my netbook back in 2k8.
My friend, let me be that guy that says “that’s nothing!”. In 2002 (around kernel 2.14 I think it was) notebooks had no integrated wifi (at least not the second hand notebook I could afford, and it wasn’t cheap anyway). I had to buy a cisco pmcia wifi card from across the world and recompile the kernel to include wifi support (and the driver of course). I don’t remember why, but I remember that recompiling the kernel happened quite frequently. Maybe because I was distro hopping a lot or because there were quite (relatively speaking) kernel updates. Not good old days, but at least I learnt!
There was no DKMS back then (it appeared in 2003 and took a while longer to be adopted) so anything you wanted to add to the kernel and didn’t have a ready-made binary module for your exact machine and distro had to come as a patch + recompile.
But you try to tell the young people today that… and they won’t believe yah!
More likely you have issues with incompatible software.
Someone gave me an 8 year old laptop to clear down. So I figured I’d swap in an SSD and put Linux on it.
Damn thing wouldn’t even boot. Wasn’t even that bad a spec machine. 6GB RAM should have been plenty. Shame really, was actually looking forward to seeing how far it had come in the last ten years or so.
2016
Hmm. There’s no reason anything that supports 6gb RAM shouldn’t run Linux. I’ve janked together much worse Lubuntu rigs before.Exactly. Should have run. Something in the hardware it didn’t like. Just got a black screen with a flashing cursor. Never got past that point.
That sounds like a problem with the graphics drivers
Next step from there is to find out what graphics hardware it has and try to see if you can get a distro that’s known working with it
Technically, the next step would be retrieving it from the landfill it got sent to.
Well then, guess that clears that up
Yeah, very odd. A few weeks ago, I retired a computer that had 4 GB of RAM that was doing server duties, running Debian. It was doing a great job until I tried running a virtual machine on it (for Home Assistant); that was just killing the poor thing. The processor was a Core 2 Quad that was introduced in 2008, so I got plenty of life out of that setup.
6gb ram is plenty, especially for a lightweight distro like antix or slax.
From AntiX:
It should run on most computers, ranging from 256MB old systems with pre-configured swap to the latest powerful boxes. 512MB RAM is the recommended minimum for antiX. Installation to hard drive requires a minimum 7.0GB hard disk size.
Winmodems and other cheap junk comes to mind.
But, apart from stuff made just for windows, what’ve you got?
I haven’t in a long while.
Not true. For modern Linux you need a processor with a memory controller and 8mb of ram. If also need to be a processor from the 21 century.
Openwrt beg to differ,
https://popovicu.com/posts/789-kb-linux-without-mmu-riscv/ here’s guide for mmu less Linux and here’s how it runs doom https://hackaday.com/2022/12/07/a-tiny-risc-v-emulator-runs-linux-with-no-mmu-and-yes-it-runs-doom/At least pentiums are still supported. Who knows what all those IBM Thinkpad users are capable of if they weren’t distracted.
Not true. 20th century processors can run linux too
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Would it be possible to forgo ram for just swap?
A processor and ram is merely “recommended specs”
You can use windows 11 without TPM. It’s just not made easy for casual users.
I know this is linuxmemes and that this will be an unpopular opinion, but a lot of the complaints about windows I see linux users make, are based on a lack of knowledge. Sure, MS doesn’t make it particularly easy, but linux isn’t always particularly easy to install or get working well for casual users either. Whether it’s linux or windows, a quick google goes a long way to solving most issues.
I’m behind the idea of GNU, but it’s weird how so many linux memes could easily be turned into equally ill informed pro-MS memes. Obviously, MS isn’t a nice company and I don’t think anyone’s a genuine MS fanboy, but still.
Yep I know You can run Window 11 without TPM I even installed it once but here we are talking about recommended requirement(You just need a decent CPU on Linux)
I’m glad my 400MHz MIPS with 64 megs of RAM and 16 megs of flash is decent
Openwrt distro be like)
If It can run Doom then it’s more than Decent ;)
Let’s be real. It’s a lie that linux’s only requirement is a CPU. Wrong hardware, because some vendors don’t support linux properly or at all, and linux isn’t fun.
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I don’t agree the fact there is workaround mivroaoft’s bs doesn’t mean that it is supported.
The same thing can be said about plenty of configurations and linux. Plenty of laptops or the wrong nvidia card, and you’re likely to have to find a workaround too.
Hell, bypassing the TPM requirement is almost certainly easier than creating your own driver for an nvidia card or problemsolving wifi issues because your laptop’s network card manufacturer doesn’t give a fuck about linux users.
Yeah but not giving a fuck unsupported is way better than we’ll purposefully fuck you over unsupported.
it’s weird how so many linux memes could easily be turned into equally ill informed pro-MS memes
Like the one where Linus is getting telemetry from your machines and putting security at risk with essentially a C&C ping waiting for instructions.
No, that’s a genuinely good and well informed reason to not use windows.
everyone knows, it’s just disregarded most of the time because it’s not a supported use case
It’ll be a sad day when the other foot drops. I like Linux but I understand it’s not for everyone.
I find it annoying that the community pretends otherwise.
Someone goes on a forum with their laptop with an nvidia card and a wifi card no one’s ever heard of, and more likely than not he’ll be told it’ll be easy to get linux running on it.
Hell, I was wrong. It’s not just that a lot of linux users don’t know much about windows, they also don’t seem to know about the issues people can face with linux on some less or non-compatible hardware.
You can be a linux fan and admit that companies like Nvidia, Realtek or HP often don’t give much of a shit about linux, but some pretend otherwise.
I don’t understand the Nvidia comment: NVidia produces Linux drivers for their cards, or at least used to. Did they stop? From a quick look at their website, I see something released in January for certain cards. And my experience has been that even the standard drivers work fine to at least get started.
So they are producing drivers for their cards, and I still don’t understand your comment. They’re not fully open source, which is a valid concern, but you said they “often don’t give much of a shit about linux”…they’re literally producing drivers for their cards for Linux, just like they do for Windows. I’m not sure what else you want them to do.
they’re literally producing drivers for their cards for Linux,
For some of their cards as the article mentions.
I’m not sure what else you want them to do.
Regularly release drivers for more of their graphic cards, including older ones like the GTX 10-series which are still incredibly popular.
Idk, I had issues on Wayland with Nvidia and switching back to xorg works fine. About the only thing wrong was a lot of screen tearing in games after a driver update.
The live environment is for testing your hardware and trying things out. You’d be surprised how many things do work and you don’t need to nuke your system to find out. If it doesn’t work you just reboot and everything is back to normal.
Also I don’t even bother with figuring out printers on Linux. I’m almost certain they all universally work, some sort of Unix black magic if you ask me.
If your a Windows fan that fine but don’t pretend we don’t try to make it easy.
Also I don’t even bother with figuring out printers on Linux. I’m almost certain they all universally work
Almost.
And this is the problem. The linux community is basically an example of survivorship bias. People who had no significant issues or were able to solve them are understandably fans. People who ran into a weird issue that they couldn’t solve, are far more likely to give up or not be a member of the community anymore.
If your a Windows fan that fine but don’t pretend we don’t try to make it easy.
And then when someone does run into an issue, members of the community will often call them stupid. “They’ve run into an issue they can’t solve. Linux is easy! That must mean they’re stupid. I’ve never run into an issue I couldn’t solve, linux is easy, that must mean I’m smart.”
Vanity, it’s the Devil’s favourite sin.
It’s a similar attitude you’ll see in rich people, who overestimate how much talent was involved in their success, and underestimate how much luck was involved. “Why are they poor? They must be stupid. I’ve never had money issues, making money is easy if you’re smart like me.”
Here’s the thing. I am genuinely a fan of the philosophy of GNU. Which is why I want everyone to be welcomed into the community, helped when they do run into issues, rather than to have them face snarky comments from linux users who think they know more than they actually do.
If this is the way you act when you ask for help I can’t blame them for not helping. There’s a lot of assumptions happening here and I really don’t appreciate it. I was being really light hearted about the situation, sharing my experience with Linux, and trying to start a constructive conversation. Sorry if the Windows thing rubbed you the wrong way I thought it was kinda funny and a little cheeky. Seriously didn’t think anyone cared about windows.
I really do feel for you if you ran into a few assholes on the Internet but that’s kinda just the Internet. There are plenty of good people willing to help out so instead of spreading the hate look for better more constructive conversations to have elsewhere.
I’m here to tell you now I don’t give a damn who uses Linux or why and I’m especially not interested in selling a fantasy or even bringing up the fact that I use Linux. Windows just got really annoying and Linux does what I need.
It really gets to me when someone gets on their soapbox and slaps labels on people without ever knowing them.
Also fuck hp and the drm cartridge thing. If you get the chance go gangsta on that thing like in office space. My sister got locked out of one of those printers after cancelling her ink refill subscription.
I don’t need 8K anything on mine
