So I just discovered that I have been working next to the waste of oxygen that raped my best friend several years ago. I work in a manufacturing environment and I know that you can’t fire someone just for being a sex offender unless it directly interferes with work duties (in the US). But despite it being a primarily male workforce he does work with several women who have no idea what he is. He literally followed a woman home, broke into her house, and raped her. Him working here puts every female employee at risk. How is that not an unsafe working environment? How is it at even legal to employ him anywhere where he will have contact with women?

  • Maggoty@lemmy.world
    8412·
    10 months ago

    How are you expecting him to feed himself if he can’t work anywhere? There’s no such thing as a men’s only work place.

    I agree that rape should be charged with the same severity as taking a life. But we also need to let ex felons leave that in the past if they can. There’s a lot of abuse and oppression that results from permanent shunning. We made the choices in our justice system that we made because of history. Let’s not repeat the mistakes of history.

    • Crackhappy@lemmy.world
      2810·
      10 months ago

      I respectfully disagree. Murder is not at the same level as rape. Rape is awful and despicable, but at least you’re alive to recover from it.

        • L1to@lemmy.world
          441·
          10 months ago

          I think more people don’t recover from death compared to rape

          • Maggoty@lemmy.world
            145·
            10 months ago

            I’m not arguing that lol. But many people would literally rather be killed than raped and it’s frequently cited as one of the things, “worse than death”.

            It should absolutely be punished similarly.

              • Maggoty@lemmy.world
                41·
                10 months ago

                No. There’s a psychological barrier to killing, even in the mind of a criminal. That’s why most murders are actually people who knew each other and had enough emotion to overcome that barrier or people who were scared/abused enough that the barrier was no longer there. (It goes away as a defense mechanism)

            • aidan@lemmy.world
              41·
              10 months ago

              1. Many is not anywhere near all.

              2. That is an option for the victim in a rape still, there is no option for the victim in a murder.

        • Queen HawlSera@lemm.eeEnglish
          6·
          10 months ago

          Yes, but statistically speaking the amount of people who recover from murder (being around 0 to 1, depending on if the Resurrection of Christ is a factual event or mere myth) is a tad lower than people who recover from rape induced trauma…

        • beefcat@lemmy.world
          71·
          10 months ago

          But it is possible to recover, and many do. There is no recovery from being murdered. Personally, I’m glad I’m still alive even if I’m still dealing with my own SA-induced trauma 20 years later.

          Murder also has further externalities. When you kill someone, you take them away from their friends and families, who now have to live forever without that person in their lives.

          But this whole conversation feels a lot like we’re asking “who was worse, Hitler or Genghis Khan?”, and it’s weird to put either side on the defensive even if there is an objectively true answer to be found.

        • kava@lemmy.world
          181·
          10 months ago

          I think this attitude where some traumatic event ruins people for life is toxic. Trauma is part of life. People can move on and have fulfilling lives.

        • Queen HawlSera@lemm.eeEnglish
          142·
          10 months ago

          I can’t send a corpse to therapy for any amount of time that’s long enough for them to recover from being dead, I can say differently about being traumatized…

          And honestly as someone who’s used therapy to recover from trauma, I find the idea that “It would unquestionably be better if you were murdered instead” to be so absurdly offensive and dismissive, as if anything of value to me and my continued existence is suddenly moot because I’ve become “Damaged Goods”

          Seeing Murder as preferable to Rape is a highly misogynistic way of thinking that draws too much from patriarchal standards about a woman’s worth.

      • Maggoty@lemmy.world
        251·
        10 months ago

        Okay. Let’s just keep all the prisoners locked up forever. Well wait, that’s kind of expensive. Let’s force them to work. You know they’re going to have kids, and both parents are no good evil people so the kids must be too. Let’s never let the kids out either.

        Congratulations, you’ve re-invented chattel slavery. With the exact same argument of banishing felons from society that was used in the 1600’s and eventually evolved into chattel slavery.

        Can we do the civil war now too or do we have to wait?