I can’t wait to be one of the “I was part of the great Reddit migration” dudes when this lemmy stuff inevitably goes tits up in 15 years.
Jokes on us because in 15 years all the instances alive right now will probably be dead and there will be no proof beyond an archive lol
Wow, now that I think about it, it is quite scary. Hope that most instances stay alive
RemindMe! 15 years.
Oh, right, ☹️
@remindme@mstdn.social 5 minutes look what fedi can do
@can Here is your reminder!
Good too see you again, old buddy!
Make your own bot. With black jack and hookers.
Y’know what, screw the bot.
@remindme@mstdn.social 15 years
@CosmicSploogeDrizzle Ok, I will remind you on Monday Jul 12, 2038 at 2:35 PM PST.
lmao can’t remind me if my instance isn’t up
We’ll be fighting the water wars by 2038 anyway
laughs nervously in Canadian
That’s gonna be me. I am a bandwagon boy
While I agree with the worry concerning corporations joining, I don’t really mind “normal” people joining though.
That being said, this is an incorrect use of the meme. The text on the two bottom panels are supposed to stay the same.
Sorry if I’m being pedantic.
No don’t stop. This is the kind of nerd shit I’ve missed!
We sure have arrived at panel 2 indeed. If it works better for your mind consider it a completely new meme template that happens to have the same visual outline, because this meme communicates exactly what I want to communicate :)
The neat part is they really can’t fuck it up. You can always run your own instance and defederate from a corporation causing problems. Eventually we’ll be getting the feature to block entire instances too so you won’t have to rely on your admin making that choice either.
They can’t “fuck it up”, but they can shove it back into irrelevancy.
Yes? Have you ever tried shoving something back from being on the internet?
You should ask XMPP how relevant it feels. Or Digg. Twitter? Reddit?
I think all an individual entity can do to push a protocol into irrelevancy, is not using it…
Well that’s easy enough when you have the numbers and the content or you buy it and don’t support it, zucc is trying to do it to twitter right now with threads, reddit did it to digg, reddit did it to reddit, , lemmy is doing it to Reddit, Google did it to XMPP, Microsoft has killed numerous budding technogies by driving them into obscurity, how many examples do you need?
Is there a GitHub issue tracking that feature?
It’s decentralized though. That’s literally the reason I believe in the Fediverse
Easy. Ban every company.
Easy. ~~Ban~~ Defederate every company.
FTFY. It’s FOSS. We can’t stop them from spinning up their own instances (See: Threads) but that doesn’t mean we have to play nicely with them.
Edit: Fuck it, I can’t get the ~~strikethrough~~ to work.
I swear it was working at one point and hasn’t worked for me recently either Maybe I’m misremembering.
It’s just
~~this~~which gives methis(for me anyway) when I look at your comment’s source it’s showing\~\~this\~\~This.
spoiler
Ah, it’s like being back in Reddit.
Wait, threads is part of the federverse?? damn.
Not yet I think, but they plan to join.
It uses ActivityPub, but I don’t think it’s actually part of the fediverse yet. But it may be in the future.
YUPYUP
We have more control this time though… When the companies come, we can block them.
It’ll be a lot harder for them with federated software, and when the free instances are all solidly established
They can still infiltrate them by buying their way into the admin/s pokets since maintaining servers is expensive.
maintaining servers is a lot more affordable when your website isn’t bloated with tracking and unnecessary features. It’s not realistic for a corporation to buy up a significant chunk of the fediverse anyways
Yeah anyone who thinks activityPub is immune to monetization is delusional.
How so, I’m curious. I’m new to this side of things.
Corporation owns reddit, owns twitter, owns meta, owns twitch and youtube.
Corporation cant own fediverse. Corporate interests could take over lemmy.world, or any other instance, but that doesnt give them the fediverse. They can block outside users from coming in, they can block inside users from going out, but they cant block outside users from eachother
It’s not that simple, take a look at this article: https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html
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Yeah, I’m a little confused by the doom-and-gloom regarding all this. Meta/etc. can only ruin the Fediverse if we let them. I really doubt most people currently on lemmy/kbin/mastodon are going to abandon the smaller instances in favor of a Big Corp instance, which IMHO is the big way they can ruin it (consolidate users from smaller instances and then pull the plug). I think there is even an opportunity here to really grow the Fediverse — smaller instances can (and should!) steal users from Big Corp instances.
Of course this may just be wishful thinking. With their track record, who knows what’s possible I guess. (For example, I fully expect non-meta users to be 2nd class citizens on a meta instance…)
That’s why we need to abolish private ownership, all corporations must be collectively owned by the community.
Communism intensifies
Wait isn’t the fediverse explicitly about private ownership?
Don’t be surprised if corporations bought out instances or whole development teams. Good thing new Inatances can be launched and the community can always fork the code and continue work.
Yeah I hate how my personal site on my personal servers is always in mark zuckerbergs hands. Wait what was the question?
I hate to say it, but the vibe has gotten a lot more Reddit-y over the last couple months. Lemmy used to be a lot more controversial, and not afraid to show it
I kind of like that tbh. I have identified as an anarchist/communist for over 25 years and even I thought the content at Lemmy was too much of a downer to be around too much.
The point is not the content per se, the point is nobody has any other incentive than to have a good time and share. Instead of the basic human desire to be social constantly being exploited for shiny fucking coins by robots and or psychopaths.
You pick the communities you like. Diversity is key.
I’m not sure if it’s brigading or if reddit was just better at hiding them, but I’m seeing a lot of alt-right, fuck-the-libs hate. Any of the current posts about the student loan forgiveness for example. So so many bad faith, tone-deaf arguments of “why should I pay for your loans” or “those lazy deadbeats just don’t want to pay”. It almost feels organzied.
Looking back on previous floods of alt-right hate… If it feels organized, it probably is.
It’s because here downvotes don’t push you to the bottom of the stack, and that needs to change. At least on Reddit you could bury the trolls.
Nah, don’t hide the trash, let them be a public example and berate and shame them. Ban them if they get too rowdy. Society breeds civility through cowardice, stop being afraid to tell these people what you think, don’t be offended; offence is taken not given, be offensive, berate their stupidity and ignorance, insult their lack of cognizance and competence, flex your belligerence in the face of theirs, call them on their bullshit and be fucking relentless.
Be a dick to an asshole; save a pussy.
Bruh I’m just trying to scroll through interesting posts and interact with people worth having a discussion with. If you get off putting people in their place all day then feel free to sort by lowest score or whatever mechanism eventually appears.
If you want to change someone’s mind you aren’t going to do it by putting them on the spot and belittling them for it. That just backs a person into the corner and makes them double down. The whole “I’d rather be Russian than Democrat” is perfect example of this.
If you want to make them change their ways then just ignore their desperate pleas for attention. Kids don’t earn the right to sit at the grown up table by acting like kids, but eventually they mature and learn nuance and that earns them a seat.
I can’t help it if you want to contribute willingly to conversations you don’t want to be a part of, sounds fucking stupid to me,which we’ve already determined multiple times you are, and continue to prove by not being able to check your ego long enough to dissuade yourself from continuing to reply. I don’t mind if it takes you a long time to learn a lesson, no skin off my nose to educate a belligerent, I was born for this.
If you think using big words and calling people childish names is making a coherent argument then there’s really nothing to be done here…
I didn’t say I didn’t want to contribute willingly, I said I didn’t want to spend my time engaging trolls and unsavory individuals. I’d rather they fade into obscurity and get on about my day.
Go ahead and reread it if you need proof, it’s all up there.
Maybe because I haven’t been here long but I haven’t noticed any alt right stuff myself.
instances collectively agreeing to defederate from corporate ones is what will stop them
I hope not. I remember a time in which you needed to know something in order to enjoy the Internet and I kinda hope this place remains less approachable by normies, but attractive to those who love technology. I feel this is like how IRC was in the 90s.
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I just wouldn’t use a corporate server. This here is more like old internet before the likes of google started to buy everything and consolidate the internet. Running a single server is not the same as a server farm in multiple countries.
im still not sure how this whole thing works but i guess im using the https://sh.itjust.works/ instance…? What instance do you use / recommend?
also, when I go to the home page and hit that “all” button and am I seeing content from all instances?
I started on lemme.world but it’s been getting hammered so I made a backup account on lemm.ee Yes when your feed is on local is the server you are on and all is all servers. It gets weirder though because you will also see posts from defederated servers, we can still comment like normal on them too but that server itself that’s defederated the people on that server will not be communicating with the rest of the federation.
what exactly does defederation mean? that the instance has psuedo cut itself off from the other instances such that their own users dont see anything from the other instances? we can still see them but they cant see us?
Sort of yes but it’s the communications that change they all can see whats on all servers but their server is only commenting with themselves or whom they are federated with. I’m still new to this as well and I believe this is how it works. But I know there’s something that has to do with the content being a copy across other servers, that part I’m still iffy on lol.
interesting stuff
I’m literally commenting from lemm.ee since we’re federated. It’s like I’m on my spaceship and you are on yours and we opened comms to each other.
