I just got banned from linux@lemmy.ml, which seems to be the biggest Linux community out there.
For context, it was about the recent Vaxerski incident, where I shared my personal opinion about the whole gender stuff. I wasn’t even trying to be hurtful against anyone, just shared my 2 cents in an already ongoing conversation.
Sure, ine might not agree with my opinion, and I don’t agree with others, and this is totally normal. But at least we should be able to have sane and respectful conversations where no one is insulting each other, or anyone else… without having a mod intervening into the conversation
So to all the mods out there: Your personal opinion does not give you the right to delete comments and block users, just because their opinions don’t align with yours!
It looks like you were temp banned from the linux community for 3 days
The comment you made was transphobia which goes against the programming.dev code of conduct. I suggest reading the comment of the user who replied to you and learning how to respect people more
This comment
does not qualify as a “respectful conversations where no one is insulting each other, or anyone else”
thx, didn’t know I could look it up, and also didn’t receive a notification.
Yeah lemmy currently doesn’t send notifications about moderation actions
Some mod teams add it in through manually dming (which usually will happen here if someone on the admin team is warning, banning, etc. you (apart from site bans which the user wouldn’t be able to access their messages from) and its not just an obvious spammer or bot) or code their own systems to notify about actions
Everything’s viewable in the modlog though and you can filter by yourself to see all actions made relating to you
Refusing to treat people with the barest minimum of respect is not a “personal opinion”, it’s behavior that no space should tolerate.
barest minimum of respect
what’s that even supposed to mean? If I talk to someone like I do with everyone else, without changing my tone/or opinion based on whatever race/religion/identity they go by, then I certainly am treating everyone with the same amount of respect.
We’ve lived for millennia now, and I don’t recall a single book where a person of the past was mentioned in addition with their pronoun, in the sense of “____ was a writer/artist/mathematician in the late 1800s who went by they/them”… etc.
We’re introducing unnecessary complications into an already complicated society we live in.
Okay you’re being a bigot. You know why? Because people aren’t demanding to be called “your highness”. They are just asking to be called with their preferred probouns. Putting neo pronouns aside, it’s not a heavy burden to be called he / she / it / they.
And this is the internet! The are no bodies, only usernames. Why do you care if a person claiming to be a girl demands to be called a she? Oh my fucking god,what a scandal! The oppression imposed upon you, a free citizen, demanding that you have to use a pronoun different than “he” on the internet! The world is doomed! 😱 /s
What you’re really asking for is the “right” to harass trans people (by misgendering them) because you don’t like them and abhor the idea of women having something extra down there. (it’s not like they’re plotting to force sex you, just leave them be, okay?) Not only that, you’re so obsessed with hating them that you went out of your way to post your biased opinion ON A LINUX FORUM.
You’re being a transphobic asshole, and the mods were perfectly right in banning you.
Just accept that there are different people in the world. If you have a problem with that, maybe it’s you who needs professional help.
Lol, that LINUX FORUM was literally about that topic. And I just participated in an already ongoing conversation which I got caught up on.
Even then, you’re still a bigot. Dude, grow up and touch some grass.
Generally, and I can only speak for myself, but GENERALLY, the way it works is someone takes offense at your comment and reports it.
That report goes to the mods of that community along with the Admins of your instance, in your case programming.dev.
Any action taken by the mods or admins is then recorded in the modlog.
In your case, you got a 3 day ban:
https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&userId=7110660
“Rule 1 - No bigotry - including racism, sexism, ableism, homophobia, transphobia, or xenophobia. Code of Conduct.”
And, yeah, your comment hits that rule. I would have removed it from my communities as well.
Ban-worthy? Not for a single comment for ME at least. If it looked like you were engaging in a pattern of behavior or trolling, then yeah, that’s a ban.
Transphobic leaves a lot of room for interpretation. Let’s take islam as an example… btw, I’m a muslim.
If I’d say something along these lines “It’s absurd that we live in a society where people feel the urge to tell me to greet them with ‘sallam alleykum’”.
Would that be islamophobic?
And yes, I agree, If I were to go around and just write these types of comments on every occasion, sure, that’d be a rightful ban.
“It’s absurd that we live in a society where people feel the urge to tell me to greet them with ‘sallam alleykum’”.
There’s already a huge difference between what happened and your example here. Your example is “people saying you must do X” . What happens when it comes to gender is people asking, “please do not do X”.
They’re not saying you must refer to them as, for instance, she/her, but rather asking that you do not refer to them as he/him/they/them/whatever. You’re free to just not use pronouns to refer to them at all if that suits you better - you can refer to them by name instead. You’re left with plenty of options and only a handful of restrictions.
Your example, on the other hand, is completely restrictive; you must take this single course of action, and there are no alternatives.
For what it’s worth, I do think we’re in a fairly transitional stage (ha) of how we as society deal with transgenderism. I think people being made to change their pronouns in order to feel comfortable is silly. Not because those people are silly - they’re just doing what they can to feel comfortable with the restrictions society has placed on them - but because society and language are silly.
Why do we refer to people by gender at times when it’s completely irrelevant? Someone having a penis, or male hormones, or whatever other “masculine qualities”, is irrelevant 99% of the time when I refer to them as he/him. If I say, “Donald Trump? Yeah, he’s a corrupt idiot,” then why does him having a penis have any bearing on the language I use there?
And why do we have such gendered roles in society? Why can’t men just wear dresses and make-up and link the colour pink and still identify as men? Why can’t women cut their hair short and wear baggy clothes and like engineering projects and lifting weights at the gym and still identify as women? I guarantee that if we could remove all those kinds of gender associations, you’d see a lot less trans people.
People transition because who they are and what they like, and what society says they have to be (based on their gender) are at odds with each other, and it’s literally easier for them to change gender in order to be allowed to be themselves than to change society. Being trans isn’t some kind of personal failing; it’s a failure of society to accommodate people who deviate even slightly from its rigid roles and expectations.
The ideal future, such as I see it, is for there to be no trans people because no-one feels a need to transition - they can just feel comfortable and accepted as they are. But until then, you need to recognise that there’s a societal issue and stop being a part of it. It takes such a small amount of effort on your part to use the pronouns someone requests, or to avoid using pronouns at all, and it makes such a huge difference to them to be gendered properly. So just be a decent, respectful person and accommodate their wishes and stop making their life worse.
The islamic example is a 1:1 representation of the comment I made, which I was banned for, as a reply to the previous OP talking about “false equivalence”
Actually, when I read your comment you’re exactly saying what I meant to say, but admittedly in a much more polite manner.
I fully agree with you… everyone should be able to do what fulfils them and makes them happy no matter their gender, without being judged by society.
I wasn’t even trying to be hurtful
Next time try to not be hurtful. Internalize the difference.
we should be able to have sane and respectful conversations
I agree but then some folks come along and fuck it up.
So to all the mods out there: Your personal opiniondoes not give you the right to delete comments and block users, just because their opinions don’t align with yours!
Absolutely it does. Their sub; their rules. Lemmy is not a democracy.
Just in case the mod responsible is here in the room with us, just wanted to say thank you.
we should be able to have sane and respectful conversations where no one is insulting each other, or anyone else
Why should we?
Your personal opinion does not give you the right to delete comments and block users, just because their opinions don’t align with yours!
Actually it does. Just like IRC, the fediverse is not a democracy, it’s a dictatorship. As a user, you have no rights at all. You’re offered the privilege of being permitted to connect and participate. Don’t like it? Nobody cares. Go start your own server/network/whatever.
I shared my personal opinion about the whole gender stuff.
Keep your shitty opinions that don’t concern others to yourself. Seems like people are not interested
Downvote it to oblivion then, but disagreeing or not being interested is no reason to remove a post.
Edit: Saw the post. I think the removal was valid, but the ban was a little harsh. And not being interested had nothing to do with it.
Welcome to my block list. I guess I’m power tripping.
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I got banned there too for not being any kind of phobic 😥
I think the ban was a little too harsh, but removing that comment was the right decision.
I also see a few problems with your “your highness” comparison:
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“Your highness” is an official title, not a personal designation. Its proper usage depends heavily on the context, e.g. the perceived social rank and status, how well people know each other, if it’s a formal or informal conversation, and so on. Pronouns have none of that, you just use the one people identify as and that’s it.
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It implies that people just pick whatever term they can come up with to mess with others or to mock them. People don’t choose a pronoun lightly, they usually think about it a lot and it’s an important personal decision. They also usually pick one of the common pronouns, so it’s really not hard to just use it.
Making quick logical comparisons regarding social norms is a very tricky thing in my experience. There are many things going on that we aren’t fully aware of all of the time, and getting it wrong can hurt people badly.
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What you fail to understand is that in cyberspace, people can do whatever they want to do.
You say mods don’t have this or that right, but rights don’t enter into it. They have that power, and they use that power.
ML is a brittle place based on a lie. Expecting them to behave in a fair way toward opinions was extremely naive of you.
I’ve heard about them, but I thought this was only in (political) communities I don’t even participate in.
Just say they. Not he/she. They. End of argument.
Totally agree, opinion shouldn’t enter into such decisions. It’s emotional immaturity to do so.
You lost me at “immaturity” here.
Why is that? Many don’t have it or the credibility to determine what’s accurate or not.
Because you don’t call grownups immature. It’s dumb.
Well, some alleged grownups are exactly that. Especially ones that believe our western propaganda without critical thinking skills.
What you describe may be undesirable behaviors, but that’s not immaturity.
Lack of critical thinking, stubbornness, indoctrination, ignorance, whatever you want to call it. Not immaturity.
Well, my @programming.dev account got banned!
I guess, I’ll just have to shut up, and just keep posting memes. 🤷🏻
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I go by PermanentBoner@lemmynsfw too … and I’m not even joking.
So feel free 😂
