An Israeli missile has hit Iran, two US officials have told the BBC’s US partner CBS News.
Iranian state media is reporting that flights have been suspended over several cities, according to Associated Press.
Iran has been on high alert after Israel said it would respond to an Iranian attack against it on Saturday night
It would have been nice if this world wasn’t run by fucking children.
literally every anarchist has been saying this for centuries.
whatever your politics, welcome to team ‘at least some of the people in the room should be adults, we have nukes floating around ffs’
whatever your politics, welcome to team
Nothing an old anarchist hates more than a new anarchist. They ruined anarchism, I tell you!
Great, like that the world, nukes included, would be ruled by the strongest, which often aren’t the brightest of us.
youre thinking of ancaps.
That’s not something I know about, mind putting me in the loop?
In any case, I was sarcastic if that wasn’t obvious. There is good people among anarchists, as well as among those who aren’t. But not having rules make it way easier for the bad apples to get their way with it, as with them it requires a lot more investment and careful planing to break them.
Anarchism, like most other social organisation theory, isn’t immune to mass manipulation, coercion, or similar techniques used by the few to impose their view and interest to the broader masses.
Anarchy is not not having rules, it’s not having rulers.
Think democracy of the purest form. Not elected (and bribed corrupt) representatives who pay themselves from our pockets to push their own agendas.
what exactly is this argument you’re making? would it not apply to switching to democracy? would it not apply to moving towards liberalism? how come when it comes to going further left suddenly “no system is perfect” arguments come out as if better needs to be perfect
therefore you must put the few in charge without contest? compromise with tyrants? edit: except forgetting to negotiate for yourself, and being all in on team tyrant?
sorry I dont mean to sound rude, its just it always sounds like a christian standing up in the pews, proclaiming that the pastor is being corrupted by the devil, and declaring that he’s done with this blasphemous church, and he’s starting his own church (of the devil. but not in like the cool way, because he’s a christian)
it just sounds like an excuse to not try. and its not like there aren’t measures to take; forms of organization, social leveling conventions, etc.
sounds like you don’t know what the word sarcasm means. is the word you were looking for ‘flippant’? its a good word and I’m sad I don’t see it more, so I hope you did.
so yeah its not perfect? nothing is? but most criticisms of anarchist thought seem to just be describing the present as what-if, and most of the ‘solutions’ to ‘avoiding’ those involve ‘let’s just do that on purpose right now!’. including this one. the point is resistance and resilience, not immunity. also like human dignity and well being and flourishing and junk.
Epstein already proved that and allegedly a Mossad agent. How much blackmail does Bibi have on Biden?
Biden expressed his love for israel way before Netanyahu was a political candidate.
True dat… Biden, “I’m a Zionist,” knows his place.
Demented sociopathic children. Normal children would do a better job.
The world would be a lot better off of it was, actually.
Fuck Netanyahu.
If he starts WW3 he can get fucked… though we should try and grant asylum to all current residents of Palestine and Isreal.
If he starts WW3 he can get fucked… though we should try and grant asylum to all current residents of Palestine and Isreal.
You can rest well that russian cunt Putin has already warmed up the engine for WW3
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Israel is not “the Jews”. You might think it’s pedantic but now is really not the time to make that generalisation.
As a Jew who is against Israeli apartheid and genocide, thank you.
Some Jews are absolute cunts. Most are decent people. Which makes Jews exactly the same as everyone else imo
I see you’ve met some of my relatives.
Sounds like some of my relatives, but I’m German. No assholes there…
Clue Holder
/s for those who don’t have one.
Your mask fell off
He is a bloodthirsty idiot of the worst kind
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I’m not prepared to be the kind of asshole to condemn a whole race of people. The majority of Germans supported Hitler and then the war ended and they’ve gotten a lot fucking better.
I’d be happy to accept any Isrealis that are willing to abandon ship.
not a race. fuck that racist bullshit.
if they already left; vet their shit, make sure they’re not still affiliated, and sure. dont hold the shit hole they were born in against them. but starting now, when they’re just afraid? nah. main lesson from world war 2 was we didn’t kill enough Nazis.
However you want to group or define Isreali citizens you are making a too broad generalization.
I don’t really care? they have been unwilling to stop for longer than I have been alive. they’ve been offered the moon,and turned it down, because they prefer genocide. they haven’t stopped. they haven’t had substantial internal strife or attempted revolutions or internal assassinations of particularly warmongery leaders.
their soldiers literally sing while they do atrocities, their prime minister says it, their citizens say it, their children say it.
Not a single joule of energy should be wasted attempting to preserve “Israeli” life. not ever. to do otherwise would be an insult to their victims. stopping this genocide and world war three must come first.
I dunno, maybe you think 1 genocidal pedophile life is worth global thermonuclear war. I guess agree to disagree?
So you’re saying we need a Final Solution to this Jewish Problem?
Call it the the genocidal problem. The issues isn’t with Jews in general, just people who are carrying out and supporting the genocide. I would lump Biden in with them as well.
Are you saying all Jews are Israeli?
not a Jewish problem. a Nazi problem. nothing makes Hezbollah look good quite like hebarrah does.
you saying theres a way to stop world war 3 without glassing that shit hole?
and stop saying Israelis are Jews. they’re not. they once rationalized an internal purge by saying ‘if you kill other Jews for political reasons, youre out’ to kill other Jews for political reasons, then did the whole white supremacist sterilizing of Ethiopian Jews. they are not. they do not count. and even if they did, Jewish communities ive spoken to feel, at best, mildly embarrassed by them.
The Germans during WWII actually were referring to nationality when talking about race, so that one slides believe it or not.
its so much dumber than that. it kind of comes down to mystical bullshit and oh hey, that’s in this one too
but theres this kapo trash tendency to draw equivalency with all Jewish people in the world and smear their crimes onto the innocent
Didn’t know “Aryan” is a nationality.
Solidarity amongst the working class, where ever they may be.
acceptable wars:
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class war
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stopping genocide
if you fail at either, so many die.
How does refusing asylum to working class Israeli refugees advance the class war or stop genocide?
I’m sorry but being a laborer doesn’t magically make someone my friend.
genocide is genocide, and they all participate. not one joule.
Do they all participate though? A coworker of mine is in Isreal right now caring for her mother, she grew up in Isreal and was staunchly antiwar. She’s once again an Isreali resident - does she deserve to die?
Do the three year olds deserve to die to? Do they deserve to be made orphans?
Please realize that you’re so far gone that you’re advocating for the erasure of a state… your stance is one that Netanyahu would applaud.
its not about deserving to die. its about going literally an inch out of your way to save one while stopping a genocide. which you shouldn’t. saying otherwise is an insult to their victims.
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Israeli people deserve to live just as much as Palestinian people do.
no. that isn’t to say they should be killed, but wasting a joule of energy to keep one alive is a waste.
I vehement disagree.
you commit a genocide, you are no longer the priority. your victims come first. everyone else comes first. you are no longer human.
if they want to save you, your victims can do it. but literally every other person on earth gets falgsc before I offer you a grain of rice, or steer my car out of the way to avoid hitting you.
honestly, a policy where food etc aid is only allowed to these genocidal monsters through Palestinians is pretty reasonable. it would be a way to beat some humanity into them, but they must be allowed to die, so the Palestinian people’s goodwill is the only way they survive.
Never in the history of the world has grouping literally everyone of a particular group together has gone poorly, except for all the time. To say every Israel is culpable is factually untrue. Hold the accountable accountable.
only way to stop the genocide.
so who would you rather share a world with?
genocidal warmongering ghouls whose reproductive cycle falters without attocies, who are edging on world war three?
or Palestinians? because I would rather have Palestinians.
if you don’t like this choice, you should have stepped on the bastards 20-50 years ago.
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Oh FFS. This had better be an extremely limited response to Iran’s response to Israel’s bombing of an embassy. Here’s hoping it’s just the same type of symbolic attack that Iran made last weekend - all show and no intent. Just Israel refusing to let anyone else have the last word.
Anything more serious and things are about to become very messy and even more expensive. Although it would explain why Israel is suddenly arranging to get dozens of jets from the US in the last month or so. Lord knows they don’t seem necessary if the only goal is to keep blowing up Palestinians.
Although it would explain why Israel is suddenly arranging to get dozens of jets from the US in the last month or so.
Forgive what feels like a nitpick, but we should take a moment for wider historical scorn. WaPo at the end of March:
Last week, the State Department authorized the transfer of 25 F-35A fighter jets and engines worth roughly $2.5 billion, U.S. officials said. The case was approved by Congress in 2008, so the department was not required to provide a new notification to lawmakers.
Biden owns the fuckup, but it comes after all the shit Israel put the administrations of Dubya, Obama, and Individual 1 through, and after all the atrocities upon the Great March of Return and the other surges of conflict. The planes could fill another allies’ order, the MIC could get their warbucks, and Joey could have kicked the can down the road, but here we are.
why the fuck do they have f-35s?
the Americans aren’t even giving peripheral NATO countries f-35’s, are they?
why the fuck are they getting f-35’s?
even RPing as an american imperialist, I cannot think of a reason other than ‘for the evulz’.
ugh that makes sense.
is… is Donald trump the less apocalyptic option?
is… is Donald trump the less apocalyptic option?
are you serious?
that’s why I’m fucking shocked. all biden has to do is just fucking… well at this point he needs to glass the shit hole, but all he had to do last month was stop.
Yes, the US nuking Israel would definitely be less apocalyptic…
Suffocated by tits
Best we can do is this
I choose Ranked Choice voting
I pick marijuana
What do you mean by “peripheral” NATO countries? If you mean NATO countries other than the US, then I can inform you that some do have F-35 jets.
feel like youre missing the point here, maybe kind of on purpose.
You did ask a question that I attempted to answer… That does not entail in any way that I did not understand the other stuff you wrote nor that I dismissed it.
no? like I know France helped design the thing, so obviously they’re getting them, but I know Poland and turkey dont have them yet, and I dont think they’re going to soon.
the point is theyre not going to the people who serve amrrica’s military interests.
That’s a fair point, no need to apologize for keeping me accurate. I had read and forgotten that detail honestly, because in my head I lump the two deals together - the other one being the new $18 billion contract for F-15s that Biden’s administration is seeking approval for currently. I think I mentally shorthand it to “arrangements for new jets going to Israel” but there is definitely detail involved as you point out.
Although it would explain why Israel is suddenly arranging to get dozens of jets from the US in the last month or so
That’s just a quid pro quo kickback between the corporatocracy.
“We’ll channel more tax payer money through your military industrial complex if you let us continue with our nationalist ethnostate genocide… We may even start another gulf war and channel trillion$ more”
Measured retaliation leads to measured retaliation leads to measured retaliation…
It’s fucking hard but Isreal suffered minimally from Iran’s bullshit aggression - Netanyahu could “be the bigger man” without losing any face.
Real leaders - real manly men - real strong people of any stripe - those are the people who have the strength to forgive and compromise.
Israel bombed their embassy first, full stop. What are you on about? Iran had a right to defend itself.
Bibi, who has never shown a modicum of restraint when there’s potential for bloodshed, isn’t going to change course until the US forces him to by withholding funding. Considering how Zionist Biden and 2/3 of Congress are, that ain’t happening, so buckle up for some real shit “leadership,” Jack.
Was that first? The embassy bombing was certainly before Iran’s counter attack but if you’re searching for justification then it’s not like Iran and Isreal were buddies before this. Iran has repeatedly funded Hezbollah launching rockets into Isreal and funded the Houthi rebels attacking shipping.
My point was that constantly retaliating is an unhealthy cycle and your take away was that “But actually it’s okay if it’s in retaliation.” Wut.
And Bibi funded Hamas, his (now realized) end-goal being to destabilize the region and provide cover for further Israeli violence and land grabs from the indigenous people.
I agree with you on tit-for-tat bringing about undesirable results, but you lost me on “Iran’s bullshit aggression.” Israel is 6mo+ in all-out genocidal warfare on innocent Palestinian civilians, and still maintains this stems from their “right to defend themselves.” Iran on the other hand exercised immense restraint, coordinated with western powers, and executed a highly telegraphed counter-offensive focused exclusively on military targets in Israel as an overly nice way to say “please don’t bomb our stuff.” In this way I think Iran’s counter-attack was in fact beyond justified. Unless you meant it was bullshit in that it was entirely orchestrated, but I doubt that was your intent.
Netenyahu, being the absolute child that he is, had to strike again anyway. This is in fact unjustified and unprovoked, but to use your own terminology it appears Iran will be the “bigger man” and doesn’t plan on further hostile action. Again highly coordinated with the west, in order to walk on eggshells around the unhinged Israeli government.
The fact of the matter is this: Bibi is a far-right war mongering zealot who needs to be deposed immediately. The US is despicable for providing him cover the way they have. Despite who’s in charge in Israel, they at least offer their citizens basic social safety nets like universal healthcare and paid family leave. America doesn’t have these things, yet it can afford to send Israel 10s of billions to continue murdering brown children?! Israel are warmongers, and America is shameful for backing them.
Bombing consulates and embassies is a nazi move.
“Iran’s aggression”
Another day another banger from sh.itjust.works
Iran was aggressive in their retaliation - how the fuck else would you describe launching rockets into another country?
Whether that retaliation was justified is separate from the fact that it was aggressive.
Au contraire, it was defense and very mild at that. If Israel can kill 40,000+ people because “wE hAvE a rIgHt tO dEfEnD oUrSeLvEs” Iran absolutely can volley some missiles in response to Zionist actions
Neither is justified.
No, it is extremely justified to respond to an attack on an embassy
It’s also extremely justified to respond to someone launching missiles at you. Are you really that much of an idiot that you can’t see how this ends or are you just arguing in bad faith?
It killed 0 unlike the Israeli attack. Pls zip it back up after you are done.
It’s certainly not 300 drones and rockets.
Can we fucking not
we? yes.
biden, evangelicals, and “Israelis”? no. no they physically must do the worst most destructive shit.
We’re still trying to paint Biden as worse for Gaza than Trump huh? Like it or not, those are the two choices, so if you shit on Biden enough, you’re practically handing Gaza to Israel on a fake gold Trump-branded platter. Regarding Gaza, Trump literally said Israel should, and I quote, “finish the problem”.
who said worse?
dead is dead. there is no difference on this issue, the same as they probably like French fries about the same.
fuck Joe burden for not stepping aside and giving us a real shot at stopping fascism. i will not be voting for anyone with a d by their name ever again.
this is a post about world war three though, and biden’s making that one happen. I genuinely would have called trump for this, but biden’s nailing it.
So, are they going back to opposing the invasion of Rafah, then?
You know, seeing as how Israel just got concessions for promising not to do a thing, then immediately went and did the thing regardless.
Or does Biden just have a humilation fetish? Which fine, no kink-shaming here but maybe keep it in the bedroom.
I have to admit, the phrase ‘lifestyle democrat’ has a nice ring to it…
Irresponsible decision from Israel, the initial exchange seemed justified with no reason to escalate things.
It wasn’t justified by israel the first time either. Anyone with iq above room temperature knows Israel is doing all of this for a reason .
To drag the US into an Afghanistan-style quagmire conflict with Iran, something American evangelicals and far-right military gumbas have been chomping at the bit for since the Carter Administration?
John Bolton literally has made this his life’s mission and has been working non-stop for it
We don’t want to go to war in the middle east. You are 100 percent right that some conservatives have been after that forever. Luckily I hope that as a nation we have grown past policing the world and being involved by sending troops. We can’t handle another war right now.
Conservatives? Who is president right now?
Did you read the comment I responded to?
Yeah far right evangelicals. Aka Joe Biden.
Just gonna leave it at some mysterious Jewish plot without going into a rant about space lasers or whatever the popular conspiracy theories are these days?
Does this ramble have anything to do with what we are talking about?
You can’t fire 300 drones and ballistic missiles at a country and not expect a response back. It was so over the top they had to respond. The response is so mild I think we can all step back now
Welp…
I hope Kate Winslet has sex with me before I die
Did Fallout release at the perfect time?
" I don’t want to set the world on fire, oh fuck it, yes I do." - Netanyahu
1997?
This is 53 years early according to the lore. Not sure if we can make it that long.
I think you mean 70 years late? That was definitely the 50s in the show.
No, the Great War in the Fallout universe happened in 2077. The 50s revival was just the fashion at that time.
Just like the 50s were a time when technological advances were spreading rapidly, the Great War happened during the time of technological breakthroughs like personal assistant robots and fusion power.
Ok, that does explain some things. But it seemed to me like the technology is all kind of slow and bulky. The mech suits, and the doc was able to outrun those turrets. I thought that was because it was the 50s when the war happened, but I guess not?
Iran reporting that it was countered and “no damage”, but also not seeing a lot of reporting that Israel also struck more areas in Syria… wonderful
This is important, pinning it for now.
Let’s keep the discussion here and not post it 14 more times.
You heard it folks, 13 more times is ok!
:P
These posts always focus on how USA are the bad guys for support Israel, but I wonder how popular this war is in Israel. Do the Israeli people support what Netanyahu is doing?
They support the Genocide of Palesitnians, but attacking Iran had a majority opposition. Because Iran can shoot back.
IDI are vocal in their criticism of Netanyahu, but their statistical methods tend to hold up. They answer your question pretty succinctly:
We found that a very large majority of the total sample (89%) think that Hamas bears a great deal of responsibility for the suffering of Palestinian civilians in the Gaza Strip.
And also:
we asked: “Given the current circumstances, is Israel’s leadership is doing its utmost to secure the release of the hostages?” We found that slightly more than half of the Jewish respondents think or are certain that the leadership is doing all it can to bring the hostages home. Only a small minority of Arab respondents concur.
The US just gave approval for more Genocide, another assault on millions of starving refugees that are mostly children, only for Israel to break their one concession in mere hours… Luckily no casualties are reported, hopefully this doesn’t escalate.
All is going according to plan:
WHICH PATH TO PERSIA? Options for a New American Strategy toward Iran
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I did. It’s all going as planned. Found a vidya that summarizes it.
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For those curious: it’s just an analysis by the Brookings think tank. It has nothing to do with the official position of US agencies.
For those curious: the Project for the New American Century (PNAC) was a think tank in D.C. that provided the blueprint for the war in Iraq.
Of the twenty-five people who signed PNAC’s founding statement of principles, ten went on to serve in the administration of U.S. President George W. Bush, including Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, and Paul Wolfowitz.[8][9][10][11] Observers such as Irwin Stelzer and Dave Grondin have suggested that the PNAC played a key role in shaping the foreign policy of the Bush Administration, particularly in building support for the Iraq War.
Wait.
So, in response to the 300 weapon systems that US/Israel roughly blocked all of. (1 casualty from defensive shrapnel)
In turn Israel launched 1 missile, and it hit?
Ooof.
that US/Israel roughly blocked
Israel, the US, the UK, Jordan, and Egypt. Israel didn’t do it on their own.
ive been saying it for a long time, but you make a choice every day: do you want the possibility of world peace, or do you want to draw ‘protocols of the elders of zion’ fanfic on your maps.
and I guess they’re just hungry for fanfic.
In response? What response? Did you forget israel assasinating top generals in an embassy
History is starting on April 13 lmao.
Pray tell me why they targeted these specific generals.
Cause Idf are nazis
I’d be careful about considering Israel’s defense as a complete success, or at least an easy one. According to Israeli sources cited in this article, achieving that result cost Israel as much as $1-1.3 billion USD, and I can’t find out if that includes the price of interception by other countries - a lot of the heavy lifting was done by the USA after all. Given that they say that’s the cost for Israel specifically, I don’t think it does but I can’t find sources. Regardless, it’s a big bill for an attack that everyone knew was coming days in advance and gives a sense of the economics involved in an open war several times more intense.
Iran also gave notice of their attacks.
It’s also incredibly significant for future missile attack that all their radars turned on and all those intercept assets are revealed and clocked and analyzed. Assuming a video going around portrays what it claims, Hezbollah even zeroed in and missiled an Iron Dome launcher site during the attack.
Counterbattery in general is fucking hard. If the proxy can pull that shit off, you had better expect the state actor to take even greater advantage.
it’s a complete success compared to Iran’s defensive measures
How so? I’m honestly asking if you have a source. As of the most recent updates, Iran is reporting no damage, no threats, and has lifted the restrictions on flights in their airspace. There were explosions heard, but the source is unknown and Iran has said air defenses shot down 3 drones.
It was costly, but the relative cost to Iran to launch the attack was far larger.
Source? Because the articles I can find such as this one from Reuters say very much the opposite: “Although Israeli officials have given no details, according to calculations by a number of analysts, the price of Iran’s attack probably amounted to $80 million to $100 million — but cost Israel and its allies around $1 billion to repel.”
Here’s another analysis: “Experts have calculated the cost of the April 13 attack for Iran at $100-$200 million — perhaps five to ten times less than what Israel spent to repel it. That means a huge recurring bill if Iran were to keep attacking.” They go through the math of it and cite specific weapon systems costs.
I’ll wait to see if you can back up your assertion, but I’m quite skeptical at time of writing.
Key word relative. The US did the vast majority of the heavy lifting. $1B is 0.0625% of the US military budget. $100M is 0.4% of Iran’s, nearly an order of magnitude more costly relatively, more than one if it’s on the high side.
That would only be a fair comparison if the US was willing to devote it’s entire military budget to these actions the way Iran can. It would also assume that the US can (and is willing to) spend 1 billion dollars + costs required with overseas operations every time Iran spends 100M on missiles. Iran broke the top 15 for military spending a few years ago so they’re going to have decent capabilities when it comes to being a pain.
It also ignores the cost of dealing with Iranian proxies like Hezbollah and the Houthi, which has Pentagon officials worried as detailed in this article “A $2M missile vs. a $2,000 drone: Pentagon worried over cost of Houthi attacks.”. I’m definitely not cheering for Iran, but I don’t think your total budget vs. total budget comparison is true to the actual economics of a US defense of Israel in the case of sustained attacks. Or even relative cost given that the US has it’s budget spread across many more pursuits than this region.
To add to that, every commitment to defending Israel while it is provoking and escalating things in the region, means less resources to Ukraine. So if the western European countries are committing more to helping Israel in its bullshit, that shifts the power balance in Europe more in Putins favor.
So it is not only about the relative cost to cost and relative cost to economy/budget but also relative from budget to budget.
Sounds like drones as well according to BBC.
Drones we most likely for targeting and damage assessment
Who would win; tens of billions of dollars worth of US-built air defence systems, or whatever surplus scrap the Chinese or Russians have flogged to Iran recently
William Spaniel released his analysis of the situation and next steps. He puts out some decent analysis.
Hey I watch that guy. Good taste.
