According to the Linux Foundation: Yes According to Google: No, not really
According to the Richard Stallman copypasta: sort of, it depends
According to my nokia router: yes
You are on this council, but we do not grant you the rank of master.
This is why “GNU/” is the important part.
I feel like GNU and the GPL are the best things that have happened in the tech space in a long time. I wish more people understood the significance of this and the FSF
Careful, you’re gonna make the BSD users angry. All 4 of them.
Are penguins even allowed to use any other OS?
I’ve seen a fox use Chrome, so I guess so
That was a spy
I was talking to a friend the other about about this. He said he loves the Android OS. He said imagining putting Linux on it and I couldn’t help but laugh. His eyes widened when I told him what Android really was
Genuinely curious what he had in mind. A GNOME desktop? A terminal shell?
sudo call Grandma
Grandma is not in sudoers file. This incident will be reported.
If he was saying that I cannot believe he wouldn’t already know.
Right I mix up Linux and Android all the time. Literally the same thing /s
objective answer= yes but not gnu, in other words just the kernel
I would say the biggest thing that makes it not have the benefits of running Linux by choice is your lack of control (by default). You don’t have root access and you aren’t allowed to do much with it. The experience is much different than running Linux by choice yourself, even if the kernel is the same.
Which is all we care about
speak for yourself, it is like saying windows and reactos are the same
But I don’t think those have the same kernel.
I thought they did, but my point stands
I’ve been patiently waiting for advancements in true Linux phones for years. I feel like a hypocrite when using android. Anyone know if pinephone is nearing a new release?
Android is a true Linux.
Eh, it depends how you define Linux. Android uses a modified Linux kernel, but most of what’s above that is different. By the point you’re at the application layer they’re basically completely incompatible.
Is it technically Linux? Yeah but it’s so different from a user’s perspective it’s best to treat them as separate imo.
Sounds like it is more correct to refer to it as GOOG/Linux
User land is incompatible even between traditional Linux distros and they all do kernel mods to suit their needs, so yeah, Android is as much of a Linux as Ubuntu is.
Android introduces far more incompatibilities, and the kernel mods are more impactful than the vast majority of other systems. Userspace incompatibilities are basically negligable for most distros.
It’s differences are substantial enough that I think it makes sense to treat it as a separate os.
Not true at all. Many distros like Alpine are not using GNU userland, yet you would consider them a proper Linux, right? And kernel changes in distros… Don’t even get me started. Suffice to say that no one ships vanilla for decades.
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That’s not how Linux OSes work.
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The way I see it is Android users are Linux users the same way fans of games who have only played the spin-off games are to people who have played the mainline games. They’re just a different kind of fan.
You claim you’ve never liked Final Fantasy and yet I can clearly see a copy of Chocobo Dungeon in your Dreamcast.
It’s like main game vs mobile adaptation of 2010’s era.
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Android and chromeos are as much Linux as macOS and iOS are FreeBSD
Android and ChromeOS are more Linux than MacOS and iOS are a FreeBSD. Apple closed the source quite a while ago and they have their own fork which I bet is very far away from the original now.
But don’t they have to publish the changes they make the to kernel and or GNU-Tools since they distribute the compiled versions of it (License Wise)?
Furthermore I remember seeing some activity at their GitHub page for the/some kernel but I may be mistaken.
FreeBSD is licenced under BSD licence, they don’t have to do shit and they don’t. Windows is also using a lot of BSD code and you’ll never see the sources.
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You can say the same about every distro. There’s literally no difference between Android and Ubuntu from this perspective. Also that’s how a lot of code feeds back into the kernel - it gets tested in the wild and if it’s good and useful it gets PRd and merged back.
You can kinda sorta run Linux userspace on Android, with a bit of compatibility layer.
F-droid
Additionally the Android kernel is so heavily modified that you can’t just make a phone run Linux
Yes, it’s only elitists that say otherwise but we can disregard them
No. It’s technically Linux, but has none of the benefits that are suppose to come with Linux.
I’d just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as Android, is in fact, GNU/Android, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Android. :D
Wouldn’t it be more like Android/Linux (or Android plus Linux) because it only has a small fraction of the GNU software / libraries but still uses the Linux kernel?
Yes.
In fact, it’s a good argument as to why “GNU/Linux” isn’t wrong, even if it is cumbersome.
Android + Linux = Android, but GNU + Linux = Linux
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BusyBox + Linux = Linux
A Google supporter? 🤔
not me! #grapheneos
The graphene representation on lemmy is insane
