Russia halted participation on Monday in the year-old U.N.-brokered deal which lets Ukraine export grain through the Black Sea, just hours after a blast knocked out Russia's bridge to Crimea in what Moscow called a strike by Ukrainian sea drones.
This is some bullshit. The first time Russia blockaded Ukrainian grain in the Black Sea, they had the plausible deniability that they weren’t aware it was going to cause mass food shortages in poorer countries. Now they know full well that’s what will happen, and they’re doing it again.
The West would be justified in clearing a path in the Black Seas themselves, in my opinion. Russia’s being little terrorist bitches.
They’re in a lose/lose situation. If they don’t retaliate in some way, it weakens them. Since they can’t retaliate militarily or diplomatically, it has to be economically.
This just opens the door for Erdogan to demonstrate his worth to NATO though. He already threatened them with his navy once. He gets nothing but free brownie points for doing it again.
Not particularly big, no. But neither is the Russian one, and it’s fairly modern.
The main issue is they can offer to escort civilian trading vessels. If Russian forces attempt to interdict and, even by accident, attack one of the Turkish warships, that is enough justification to trigger Article 5 if Turkey wished, and pull NATO wholesale into the conflict.
While we probably wouldn’t actually attack into Russia for fear of getting nuked, we could turn economic sanctions into an international blockade and eliminate every single Russian asset not hiding in Russia with warlike prejudice. Then just wait for the Ukrainians to beat them.
Nothing about blowing holes through Russian warships, simply escorting Ukrainian Black Sea grain shipments. Russia is free to fuck off or fire the first shot if they are that determined to let Africans starve from lack of grain.
Russia already has a presence in the Black Sea.
They are the ones who can currently block the harbors, and the US ships would have to fire the first shots to force them to leave, free the ports and even get to the Ukrainian ships to escort them.
Russian warships can’t get within 75 miles of Ukrainian held territory for fear of another Moskva sinking. If Russia wants to open fire on NATO warships on the open sea just so Africans can starve, that is on Russia.
It’s not as black and white as that. There’s obviously a point where the West would have to push back against Russia. Most likely this grain deal won’t be enough for the West to make any significant new moves apart from what they’re already doing, but Russia is playing a stupid game by using mass hunger in poorer countries as a pawn in this war.
This is some bullshit. The first time Russia blockaded Ukrainian grain in the Black Sea, they had the plausible deniability that they weren’t aware it was going to cause mass food shortages in poorer countries. Now they know full well that’s what will happen, and they’re doing it again.
The West would be justified in clearing a path in the Black Seas themselves, in my opinion. Russia’s being little terrorist bitches.
They’re in a lose/lose situation. If they don’t retaliate in some way, it weakens them. Since they can’t retaliate militarily or diplomatically, it has to be economically.
This just opens the door for Erdogan to demonstrate his worth to NATO though. He already threatened them with his navy once. He gets nothing but free brownie points for doing it again.
Does Turkey have a big navy? Just curious, I never hear much about their army
Not particularly big, no. But neither is the Russian one, and it’s fairly modern.
The main issue is they can offer to escort civilian trading vessels. If Russian forces attempt to interdict and, even by accident, attack one of the Turkish warships, that is enough justification to trigger Article 5 if Turkey wished, and pull NATO wholesale into the conflict.
While we probably wouldn’t actually attack into Russia for fear of getting nuked, we could turn economic sanctions into an international blockade and eliminate every single Russian asset not hiding in Russia with warlike prejudice. Then just wait for the Ukrainians to beat them.
What if a bunch of “pirates” commandeered a US Navy carrier fleet, sailed it right up the Don river, and started taking over Russian cities?
No the United States is not justified in killing people who haven’t hurt Americans
Nothing about blowing holes through Russian warships, simply escorting Ukrainian Black Sea grain shipments. Russia is free to fuck off or fire the first shot if they are that determined to let Africans starve from lack of grain.
Russia already has a presence in the Black Sea.
They are the ones who can currently block the harbors, and the US ships would have to fire the first shots to force them to leave, free the ports and even get to the Ukrainian ships to escort them.
Russian warships can’t get within 75 miles of Ukrainian held territory for fear of another Moskva sinking. If Russia wants to open fire on NATO warships on the open sea just so Africans can starve, that is on Russia.
It’s not as black and white as that. There’s obviously a point where the West would have to push back against Russia. Most likely this grain deal won’t be enough for the West to make any significant new moves apart from what they’re already doing, but Russia is playing a stupid game by using mass hunger in poorer countries as a pawn in this war.
Go back to Lemmygrad, shill.
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