People with felonies shouldn’t have been disenfranchised. That is obviously wrong.
That doesn’t mean you should also do something that’s wrong in response. Just because at this particular moment there would be an advantage to felons being forbidden from going on the ballot, doesn’t mean that will always hold true in the future. What happens in 20 years when the Cop City protestors try to run for elected office and are forbidden because of the bullshit charges they incurred protesting?
I’m not doing anything wrong. I’m keeping you accountable for the damage your side has already done. If you don’t like it why don’t you restore the voting rights of ex-cons and admit it was yet another way to subvert democracy by sealing votes away from people you know will not vote for you.
People with felonies shouldn’t have been disenfranchised. That is obviously wrong.
Felon disenfranchisement did not become popular or widespread until after the Civil War. No points for guessing that the potion of the population also most like to be prosecuted for felonies just happen to be black men.
So we shouldn’t hold Trump and the GOP accountable now for some hypothetical in 20 years. In the meantime the GOP continues to win elections now and for years to come because of voter suppression?
It’s unrealistic that we will suddenly pass a law between now and November preventing felons from holding office. It could happen after that, but then it won’t be applied to Trump, it will be applied to people on the left.
Sure felonies should be considered on a case by case basis, but there are many felons I’d have an issue with running for office, not just this particular one.
That’s good bait, but I’m still not taking it. I repeat my stance, felonies should be considered on a case by case basis, but there are many felons I’d have an issue with running for office, not just this particular one.
Fuck trump, but convicted felons have to be eligible for office to prevent abuse. If all it took was a felony, any opposition leader would just have some nonsense charges brought against them to make them ineligible.
This was also a key motivator of the war on drugs: criminalize the drugs that black people and anti-war protesters used, and they can be stripped of their voting rights.
Good now that he’s a convicted felon he can’t run for president just like you can’t vote, right? …right? Fuck this system.
There are scenarios in which you’d support a felon running for office, it’s just this particular felon we have an issue with
No, I support keeping felons off the ballot because Republicans are the ones that stripped ex-cons of their right to vote.
How is a criminal voting more dangerous then becoming President? That was the right wing’s justification for taking away former inmates right to vote.
People with felonies shouldn’t have been disenfranchised. That is obviously wrong.
That doesn’t mean you should also do something that’s wrong in response. Just because at this particular moment there would be an advantage to felons being forbidden from going on the ballot, doesn’t mean that will always hold true in the future. What happens in 20 years when the Cop City protestors try to run for elected office and are forbidden because of the bullshit charges they incurred protesting?
I’m not doing anything wrong. I’m keeping you accountable for the damage your side has already done. If you don’t like it why don’t you restore the voting rights of ex-cons and admit it was yet another way to subvert democracy by sealing votes away from people you know will not vote for you.
Buddy, I like to argue with conservatives too but you genuinely will not find any on Lemmy and I am certainly not one myself.
Felon disenfranchisement did not become popular or widespread until after the Civil War. No points for guessing that the potion of the population also most like to be prosecuted for felonies just happen to be black men.
So we shouldn’t hold Trump and the GOP accountable now for some hypothetical in 20 years. In the meantime the GOP continues to win elections now and for years to come because of voter suppression?
It’s unrealistic that we will suddenly pass a law between now and November preventing felons from holding office. It could happen after that, but then it won’t be applied to Trump, it will be applied to people on the left.
Allowing a felon to run is a legitimate check and balance that the people can have against the government.
It allows for the people to correct someone convicted of a crime by an unjust law. It allows for correcting (actual) political persecution.
This is a healthy thing.
That said. Fuck disenfranchisement. Directly fix that.
Sure felonies should be considered on a case by case basis, but there are many felons I’d have an issue with running for office, not just this particular one.
So, let them run and voters will decide?
I only have a problem with this one running because he’s the only one with a chance of winning
That’s not true. There are other felons with a chance at winning, they just haven’t been convicted yet.
Oh yeah? Who?
That’s good bait, but I’m still not taking it. I repeat my stance, felonies should be considered on a case by case basis, but there are many felons I’d have an issue with running for office, not just this particular one.
I read that he could be taken off the ballot in some places, but I haven’t verified that.
Eugene Debs ran for president from prison. He got 3.4% of the vote.
Fuck trump, but convicted felons have to be eligible for office to prevent abuse. If all it took was a felony, any opposition leader would just have some nonsense charges brought against them to make them ineligible.
This was also a key motivator of the war on drugs: criminalize the drugs that black people and anti-war protesters used, and they can be stripped of their voting rights.