• tsonfeir@lemmy.world
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    5 months ago

    a ban that was introduced several years ago in Barcelona to little effect as offenders are mainly tourists who fly home without paying the fines.

    So you make them pay before leaving jail.

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      Debtor’s prison is pretty much universally considered a violation of basic human rights. In the US there is even a strong contingent of legal scholars who feel that cash bail cannot be justified.

      I apologize I don’t have time now to find a source for that.

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        I got you

        From [Wikipedia] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debtors’_prison) about debtors prison:

        In 1963, members of the Council of Europe, an intergovernmental human rights organization based in Strasbourg, adopted the Protocol No. 4 to the Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms. Article 1 of the protocol states that “no one shall be deprived of his liberty merely on the ground of inability to fulfil a contractual obligation.” Currently, 42 states have ratified the protocol.[74]

        Article about cash bail reform

        I’m not sure if either of these apply to international flight risks.

        Maybe a better option would be to seize British passports and place offenders on a no fly list.

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          I’m not a legal expert, but this talks about “inability to fulfill a contractual obligation” rather than the refusal to do so.

          I assume the problem is slightly different and it is mainly a problem of not being able to go after the money (perhaps at reasonable cost) if the travelers have it?

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      Or provide collateral. And chuck them on a wanted list for the EU. If they ever return, they get detained and have to pay and sent home.

      I’m pretty sure dutch tourists will just get the fined forwarded to them through the CJIB (the Dutch fine collection authority). So fleeing the country does not help.

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        Looking it up, the fine is UP TO €300 in Barcelona. They could say “pay now, get 50% off, pay later and pay the full 300”

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          Or vice versa… now is 300 of we have to collect in the uk via a collection agency it will be 450.

          I’ll bet plenty of collection agencies will collect that for 100 euro

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          And we talking people skipping out on paying fines they deserve.

          If it where up to me I’d allow the Guardian civil beat anyone in an inflated penis suit, untill the whole thing was flaccid and they could pour the occupant out through one of the airholes… but that’s just me.

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    No Bucks/Hens nights was one of my rules as a pub bouncer. It’s always trouble. It’s mostly a group of friends out for a piss up and extremely bad behaviour at the expense of other patrons enjoyment.

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    Most of the food in the area of Spain I visited (South) was bad because it was made for British tourists. Had no idea it was going to be like that.

    Gibraltar was cool despite being even more British.

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    The bylaws also prohibit going shirtless or in a bikini in areas away from the beach, a ban that was introduced several years ago in Barcelona to little effect as offenders are mainly tourists who fly home without paying the fines.

    That’s easy to solve. You confiscate the passport until the fine is paid. Or arrest them and hold them without bond as a flight risk. The last time I got a speeding ticket–about 15 years ago, I think–I was in Ohio, and driving home to Illinois. The cop took my license, and said they’d mail it back once I paid the fine.

    Quick edit: I’m not talking about cash bail here; that’s a separate issue. Bond can be refused when a suspect is deemed to be unlikely to show up for court, such as the suspect being a foreign national. This happens regularly, and isn’t particularly controversial. A person that is a citizen and resident of a foreign country is very likely to skip out on criminal penalties, therefore they shouldn’t be permitted to leave without paying their criminal fines.

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      In the US, the only way a government ID can be confiscated is if it’s provably fake. This is akin to debtors prison, a practice that has been outlawed in much of the civilized world for good reason. I get the sentiment, but there are better ways to enforce.

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        100% false, because as I said I’ve had it happen to me. States can, and do, do this.

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    I can’t tell you how happy it would make me to drive down the street and see someone in a giant penis costume walking around.

    That would brighten my day no question.

    Stupid Spain.

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      Now picture in your mind that, again, and again, and again and it’s now the 20th time this month.

      There are no cool things that cannot be spoiled by being done all the time, relentlessly.

      Also in my experience - having lived in Britain - the brits doing this stuff actually behave even worse outside their own country than in Britain (which is quiet shocking if you’re familiar with Friday and Saturday nights in areas like Essex) - British hen and stag dues are expected to be extreme nowadays and they get worse when abroad in the kind of place that’s just a cheap flight away from most of Britain and is comparitivelly much cheaper, because the kind of Britons you get there couldn’t give a rats arse about what foreigners think (Brexit didn’t happen in a vacuum and the whole idea that “Brits are superior” is definitelly common in Britain, especially England) so their behaviour abroad is even more unrestrained than in their own country and not just in this kind of dress-like-a-cock way (which IMHO is fine, even if it gets old after a while) but they’re very loud at all hours of the day and night, and prone to fights and breaking things.

      (In the context of Europe, Brits are pretty bad in how they handle drinking since they’re prone to binge drinking rather than having habitual moderate drinking - such as normally having a beer or a glass of wine with lunch - so not only do they really go for getting drunk as fast and as hard as possible in those traditional two days a week of going out and getting pissed but also, funnilly enough, by not drinking in a moderate way the rest of the week they don’t have the same capability of handling their booze as many other Europeans)

      I suspect what they did in this town is more some kind of half-arsed pushback against that more general behaviour problem of loudness, rowdiness and destructivness than the actual costumes, only in trying to balance the interests of the hotel and bar owners with those of the people who do not make a living from the cheap side of the Tourism Industry, they came up with this “trick” to try and make it less appealing for hen and stag dues or at least for the ones with the more rowdy crowds.