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    Your searching on this may be skewed due to Firefox not being the equivalent of Chromium. Firefox is not actually the browser engine. Firefox is based on the browser engine called Gecko which is developed by Mozilla. There are actually a number of other Gecko based browsers they just aren’t very popular or are for niche use-cases.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gecko_(software)

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      Well sure, but I don’t think it changes my question much. There’s still so few active gecko-based browsers. And so many blink based.

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        Chromium is likely more popular because Google has such a stranglehold over the development of new internet standards. They set standards and then implement them into Chromium perfectly which tends to make Chrome really well optimized and fast.

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          Doesn’t work forever though. Used to be the same with Microsoft and Internet Explorer, but better things came along that were less terrible and not controlled by a single tech company throwing their weight around to push their own standards.

          It’ll happen again if Google restricts the extension store much more though. They’ve been attacking ad and privacy extensions for years

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            “leaks” about Google blocking ad blockers got me to switch to Firefox in October last year. Was worth the risk. Took the time to also leave googles password manager and switch to bitwarden as well.

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            There are still websites that work on basic HTML 1.1, even under Windows 3.11 and Internet Explorer 5.

            That whole ‘nothing lasts forever’ thing isn’t because the changing internet standards, it’s because companies and websites choose to adopt those standards rather than stick with backwards compatibility.

            Granted yes, a lot of it has to do with security, Google’s pocketbook security by shoving ads in our faces…

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            As long as chrome is the default option on every or almost every android smartphone chrome will have the majority marketshare. People always mostly use the default.

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          everyone knows how to use Chrome

          Bro it’s a browser. They’re fairly identical to the end users it matters for.

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            Yeah but I save 0.000097 seconds per page load. I did the math and it will give me approximately 2.3568 additional seconds to the length of my life.

            I did more math and that means I’ll have time for one more fap before I leave the world behind.

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          there is no real upside to picking Gecko apart from Google = bad.

          AdBlock works better on Firefox. Firefox takes fewer resources. Firefox is open source. And that’s just off the top of my head.

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          That makes a lot of sense when you are looking at the two today, but Firefox is older than Chrome. So they managed to become more advanced and take all the browser marketshare in some way.

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              Chromium stays the best by developing new internet standards. Then big websites adopt them and Mozilla has no choice but to play catch-up if they want these sites to work well in their browser.

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    A while ago, gecko was such a mess to use that very few projects dared to use it. At some point, chromium showed up and it’s the easiest thing to bundle anywhere. This probably led to a lot of the current situation.

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    Another reason on top of what’s been mentioned already (although probably minor), is that out of the box, Firefox doesn’t let you run multiple instances.

    I’ve been learning to write a web app and updating websites, so have been using PortableApps to launch a second instance of Chrome to double check how everything looks when I’m not logged in. I tried switching to Firefox, but it wouldn’t let me open the second instance, meaning that every time I wanted to check the site, I’d have to log out. I check them in Chrome, Firefox, and Opera.

    I might be a niche case, but I’m already finding it really annoying. I can’t imagine how much more frustrating it would be to try to write a browser that can’t run at the same time as your preferred browser.

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      Wouldn’t a private window allow exactly the specific thing you want to test?

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      If you just want a separate session, container tabs will do. No need to create a new profile.

      For Chrome, you can also just create a new profile.

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      In the Firefox Portableapps folder you have to copy other/source/firefoxportable.ini into the top level folder with firefoxportable.exe, and then edit it to allowmultipleinstances=true.

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      You can do this, actually. Just create new profiles. It’s not very user friendly, but can definitely be done, from what I understood from your usecase.

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        Thanks for the reply :)

        The PortableApps version is a separate installation of the program, so Firefox in this case, that’s self contained so that it can be used on multiple computers from a removable device. The default profile should be completely unrelated to the fully installed Firefox’s profile.

        I’ve tried it on Linux too with an AppImage, but get the same result.

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          I see. Maybe the PortableApps Firefox hides profiles from the user… Either way, the other comments mention containers, which are actually even more friendly than profiles. Hope you find something that works for you!

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    Why would we need any Firefox-based browser that isn’t Firefox?

    Customize it a bit, and it works perfectly fine.

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    Google has more resources than Mozilla, and Chrome has long been the most popular browser so it’s not surprising others would want a piece of that pie.

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    People fork what’s what they’re using and what’s popular. Chromium has the vast majority of the market share so it’s most likely to get modified and reused.

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    Google docs compatibility. And now Office 365, since Edge switched to the same rendering engine.

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        Copy and paste is restricted to keyboard commands last time I tried plus if I’m managing an IT department I want near certainty that O365 or GSUITE will work with every update and patch Chrome and Edge basically guarantee that while Firefox’s development team lack the ability to see future changes to the software and have less motivation to do so as it’s not their product.

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          I’ve actually been wondering why that’s the case for a while. Like is it a limitation of something their doing under the hood of GSUITE products?

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          Oh noes! Keyboard commands?

          Anyone working in an office worth their weight in salt should know Ctrl+Z/X/C/V at bare minimum.

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            They definitely don’t I work with 21 years olds fresh out of college that have no idea how to navigate file systems they are fine on iPads or phones but clueless on an actual computer.

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                Too bad the applications were written on COBOL while I was in high school (Some sarcasm). Even to enter my time I have to use the old school IE browser because Edge can’t render the site properly and it has to be virtualized because windows 10 can’t launch it correctly once something works corporations are slow to change we’d have to get new apps made tested and then internally reviewed then issue new devices and see pushback from older employees who always sabotage new device and software launches. There’s a woman still working on a Windows 98 machine that has to be air-gapped and manually brought emails and files by hand because she threatens to quite if she is forced to update (She does have an obscure PHD and makes the company tons of money with her analysis work so they appease her)

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        Doesn’t matter. IT departments everywhere will just mandate Chrome use for “known compatibility/supported configuration”.