I let you down by failing to convince you, though I’m sure you don’t see it that way.
Solidarity, awareness and collaboration are the prerequisite conditions for building a working class movement capable of achieving widespread change. That isn’t where the process ends, obviously, action needs to be taken once that movement exists.
I’m not sure what your point is about January 6th.
You failed to convince me by not telling me what the next step would be.
Lots of large-scale solidarity movements in history have been built and failed. Sometimes disastrously so. You do not have the step after that, which is essential.
My point about January 6th is that it was a large-scale solidarity movement that tried to effect major change in terms of how presidents become presidents and failed. You seem to think everyone getting together and singing kumbaya would achieve for the left what they were unable to do when they actively tried.
I have a proposal for what I would suggest our next step should be once we get to that position, and I’d be happy to share it with someone who is genuinely interested. But you have to realise and accept that it goes against my ideology for me to act as if I have all of the answers. My entire belief system is that we can work together to find a solution, collectively, for what we should do next. If I assume I know everything and that we should all just do what I say, I would be no better than those I oppose.
I’m not going to defend Jan 6 for obvious reasons. There are plenty of left-wing solidarity movements we could talk about instead - Black Lives Matter, Occupy Wall Street, Defund the Police, the CHAZ. I would agree that none of those projects really achieved their ultimate goals, but they did somewhat progress them.
Things fail until they succeed. I’m sure you wouldn’t have scolded the Wright brothers for continuing to try to build a flying machine despite prior failures.
You didn’t let me down, because I knew you didn’t actually have an answer about how to actually achieve anything.
If “solidarity” and “awareness” were all it took to solve problems, climate change wouldn’t be getting worse.
You know what awareness and solidarity already resulted in? January 6th. You know what was a failure? January 6th.
I let you down by failing to convince you, though I’m sure you don’t see it that way.
Solidarity, awareness and collaboration are the prerequisite conditions for building a working class movement capable of achieving widespread change. That isn’t where the process ends, obviously, action needs to be taken once that movement exists.
I’m not sure what your point is about January 6th.
You failed to convince me by not telling me what the next step would be.
Lots of large-scale solidarity movements in history have been built and failed. Sometimes disastrously so. You do not have the step after that, which is essential.
My point about January 6th is that it was a large-scale solidarity movement that tried to effect major change in terms of how presidents become presidents and failed. You seem to think everyone getting together and singing kumbaya would achieve for the left what they were unable to do when they actively tried.
I have a proposal for what I would suggest our next step should be once we get to that position, and I’d be happy to share it with someone who is genuinely interested. But you have to realise and accept that it goes against my ideology for me to act as if I have all of the answers. My entire belief system is that we can work together to find a solution, collectively, for what we should do next. If I assume I know everything and that we should all just do what I say, I would be no better than those I oppose.
I’m not going to defend Jan 6 for obvious reasons. There are plenty of left-wing solidarity movements we could talk about instead - Black Lives Matter, Occupy Wall Street, Defund the Police, the CHAZ. I would agree that none of those projects really achieved their ultimate goals, but they did somewhat progress them.
Things fail until they succeed. I’m sure you wouldn’t have scolded the Wright brothers for continuing to try to build a flying machine despite prior failures.
What a bullshit cop-out. I have asked you multiple times what the next step is and you’re now claiming I’m not interested?
That’s two lies you’ve told about me now. That is coming close to trolling.
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Okay, you’re trolling. Time for you to take a break.