• DarkCloud@lemmy.world
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    Fourth turning theory is fashy crap written by a play write and a business fund manager (people with no credentials for historical analysis), worshipped by people like Steve Banon.

    Accordingly it’s totally subjective, a guessing game.

    Truth is: No one can predict what’s going to happen.

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      It’s predicated on baby boomers not having hard times. There’s no basis in reality. Not unless one were to believe baby boomers are all predominantly white upper middle class. Not to mention one must believe history was all sunshine and rainbows until their generation (millennial/zoomer/whatever) came into existence.

      Do they really think people just walked right out of high school into wealth from the career factory? This is basically the privileged upper class. Which is the top percentage of their generation. Guess what? Everyone else had it hard!

      So much of current day pop culture “boomer bad” stuff is based on these stupid notions. I wonder how people are going to rationalize when baby boomers are all dead and the class war still exists. I think some younger people are in for some serious cognitive dissonance ahead.

      Apart from people parroting these things. Those who actually have those well off parents are admitting their own privilege. The parrots are too entranced to realize they’re worshiping their own oppressors. The upper class. They don’t know they are the cannon fodder in the cycle of hard times, revolution, and renewal.

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        Most people are referring to the fact that boomers were born into the strongest social safety net in American history and then allowed Regan to gut it for short-term gains. The original aphorism may not be true, but I can’t think of a generation it applies to more.

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          It’s true. But I think the point is that more opportunities were available to that generation. For example, both my boomer parents grew up in poverty. Dad was an orphan. They moved to the city with no money and made careers for themselves. Housing was cheap. That’s not possible today without family wealth (in Australia at least). I’m a software engineer with an electrical engineering degree and I’ll never own a house or retire. They bought houses on public service wages without degrees.

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              Well AIDS was scary as fuck but Australia didn’t have to worry too much about the cold war. Life in the 80s was generally pretty cruisy.

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              MuH AiDs

              Literally an attempted genocide on the gay population. I think it’s fair to say life was pretty tough for them.

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                Repeat after me:

                No climate crisis + cheaper housing + no Tiktok = better times No climate crisis + cheaper housing + no Tiktok = better times No climate crisis + cheaper housing + no Tiktok = better times No climate crisis + cheaper housing + no Tiktok = better times No climate crisis + cheaper housing + no Tiktok = better times No climate crisis + cheaper housing + no Tiktok = better times No climate crisis + cheaper housing + no Tiktok = better times

                Also where I live there wasn’t any “attempted genocide on gays”.

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                  no Tiktok = better times

                  This is boomer brainrot for it to make a three-item list of modern problems. People said the same shit about TV and even about books, not that I’d give tiktok much credit as an advanced medium in the same way those were. But it’s just philistine to consider it a great societal evil on par with climate change and the housing market.

                  Also where I live there wasn’t any “attempted genocide on gays”.

                  You all may perpetrate one yet considering the direction your country is going in.

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      Thanks for this insight, seriously. Because of course, it sounds really scary, and we all know which side of the fence relies most heavily on fear based rhetoric.

      The “common sense” logic feels sound, but you’re right that it’s deceptive, and trying to use some “system” to both read the future AND use it to scare everyone into thinking it’s doomsday every week? When you think about it, gee, that HAD to be a fashy business fund manager idea lmao.

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    Boomers and Gen X lived in a paradise, destroyed it and now complain that things are shit.

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        Nah, 80s and 90s were paradise too.

        Let’s just go back to those decades and never leave.

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            GenX was also relatively small compared to the boomers.

            I wonder if every generation will blame (maybe correctly) previous generations. So long as things are getting worse, the kids kind of have a valid argument. “Why didn’t you fix this before it got to us?”

            As a millennial, I’ve been doing what I can short of going full vigilante. But in 30 years, they still wouldn’t be wrong to say “it’s still broke though isn’t it?”

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              Millennial here too… I blame myself for everything, including climate change. Everything I (can) buy is wrapped in plastic. Everything I (can) consume produces CO2. Every step I take, every breath I make… I’m killing earth.

              I have a lot of self hate and can understand anyone who hates my generation. At least it ends with me. Who ever thinks kids are a good Idea must be completely insane.

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                How about it’s not your fault that there isn’t a alternative to a more eco friendly product, because it’s the politicians fault, we elect politician’s and they have almost all of them a green Policy. But that’s just on paper, they will really never do anything that hurt the economy and corporate profit. We vote on policy and they won’t implement it, the only thing you are responsible for is holding your politicians to account, but yeah keep blaming yourself for the shit that you have no control over and live in apathy

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                Whoa whoa. Never said I hated myself. That doesn’t solve anything. If anything it makes things worse by stealing focus. More like realizing that this isn’t working. We need to fix the system instead of letting people distract us with plastic straws or playing the blame game

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                  The system can only be fixed by violence. I am no violent guy but billionaires have to die… all of them or we don’t even have to start.

                  I keep on trying to fix little things, but I don’t think that I can do enough… even remotely compared to the destruction their greed brings.

                  I’m out… no kids, no blame, it’s more CO2 than anyone can save. And honestly,… it’s the kids of the other people who will die in the climate wars. I simply don’t care any more until real change happens.

                  Edit: Humanity will prevail. Sooner or later even with a technological state as today or way more advanced… it just will take a few 100 more years for the remaining few to build this solar punk future. I’m just sad I’m living now and not when all this capitalism BS already died ages ago.

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              Gen Z already has some belief that Millennials did nothing but complain. No/not enough progress was made for all the protesting millennials cried for. It looks like Z is going the X apathetic route.

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            The systems that destroyed our society were created by boomers and Regan

            Which system do you think destroys our society?

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        Gen X did nothing to improve the dumpster fire that boomers created. All they do is whine about how “powerless” they were

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      Boomers and Gen X did exactly the same thing that you’re doing. Nothing. They just let the super rich elite screw the whole world up and now you’re doing the same thing they did. Nothing.

      If you want to act high and mighty you’re not going to change the world by complaining on the internet. You have to stop the super rich.

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        You have to stop the super rich.

        If I could, I would use this simple way to stop them: ban all parties that support them, nationalize all their beings and “sweeten up” their coffee if they complain too much.

        There’s only one problem: I CAN’T DO NOTHING BECAUSE I’M NOT IN FUCKING POWER

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        Complaining is a tool. Talking is a tool. Leads to acting and organizing. Guillotines don’t spontaneously form from the aether.

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        Yeah, yeah, 80s and 90s had concentration camps for black people, heard that shit before. Meanwhile no climate crisis, no Trump, no Tiktok, nothing, just some fucking peace.

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    This is bullshit. Boomers, genXers and now millenials have been fighting against wild capitalism for decades, and a lot of them died fighting or are rotting in jail right now.

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      As the economy grows and progress creates exponentially more wealth, it’s only natural that people demand ever higher standards of living. This is good, this is how it should be.

      At the same time, generational theory is bullshit. People in each age bracket are very different, and in each of them you can find what you would call more sensitive or more tough people. And it is good, too! Some people are better at promoting change, some people are better at withstanding the status quo. Both are necessary if we want to have constant growth on a strong foundation. Oh, and every generation has stupid freaks. A lot of them, in fact.

      LGBTQ+ youth defending Palestine is not about promoting LGBTQ+ rights. It’s about fighting for a more fundamental right - right for people to live. No one in their sane mind expects Palestinian Arabs to go under rainbow flags, but it doesn’t matter for as long as life for everyone in the region is endangered. The people you call “weak” are protesting in defence of basic human rights - something “strong” people fought hard for - that are undermined in the world of today. They’d rather see a region that is unfriendly to LGBTQ+ than one that is mass grave.

      And you’re right - famous people shouldn’t be our role models! They just often happen to be so as they are in the spotlight. But we should promote other voices - scientists, engineers, economists, we should promote meaningful art, etc. etc. Parents are not always a perfect role model, as they bring with them a load of stereotypes, cognitive distortions, and are commonly conservative in the wide sense of the word, which hinders the development of new ways of thinking. But they too are undoubtedly important.