• SeeJayEmm@lemmy.one
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    Yeah the sad part is that, really, the best we can hope for is a post mortem. Rescue is almost impossible in this situation.

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      Why do we care? We know what happened - this thing was built like shit. How come taxpayers have to foot some bill to tow these dead rich fucks?

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        People are still people, man. If they have the money maybe they should pay back the rescue efforts if found alive (which won’t happen), but it kinda sucks to say “welp bye” and let half a dozen people slowly die if you could’ve helped.

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      I imagine if they located it and it was as simple as bumping it slightly with a remote vehicle, there’s still some infinitesimal chance, but it seems all but certain they’re doomed.

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      Something this small could simply be floated to the surface. With big things there no way that can be done. Still difficult af but possible, don’t know if things like that already exist.

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        Wouldn’t that be risking nitrogen narcosis? I mean, certain death or chance at death. It’s all about the oxygen rn.

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          If the sub is still at 1atm internal there is no issue…if the sub is at 380atm down at the Titanic then…again nitrogen narcosis is not the issue as that 4000 tonnes per square meter of force makes it irrelevant.

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          I dont think so because the crew compartment is/was pressurized. The real problem is that without power they likely froze to death a long time ago

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            That’s a good point, and I know shit about subs. I had heard there was banging, but idk how long ago that was.

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          Hmm I don’t know if works like that when you’re on a submersible. You’re in a 1 atmosphere pressure.

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    Yes seems no practical craft is actually able to reach them to recover their sub from that depth. There was no wire to pull them back up. The sub can’t be opened from the inside, even if it had surfaced somewhere. There’ll need to be a serious rethink about the safety design.

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      There’ll need to be a serious rethink about the safety design.

      The owner is on record saying he thinks safety regulations are bogus an he’s actively looked to cutting corners because you can’t live in safety our whole life.

      This whole thing was a stupid mess. I can’t even really muster any sympathy for this situation because everyone made boneheaded decisions every step of the process. Including controlling thrust and control surfaces with a wireless PC controller because you’re too much of a spedthrift to spend 10k on some deep sea cable glands and build an actual fly by wire system for your 1.25 million dollar trips to the bottom of the oceans.

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        Wait whaaaaaaat? They seriously used wireless PC controller for thrust and control surfaces?

        Oh my god. If that’s true that might be the most brain dead thing I’ve ever read today. Can you please give me a source, I have to know more about this now. :0

        Edit: holy shit. I’m watching SomeOrdinaryGamers’ video.

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          I can’t speak to the sub, but many Navy ships were retrofitted with systems to be controlled by XBox 360 controllers. Turns out training new people on the controller had huge improvements over the old systems.

          EOD also has robots controlled by a “game controller”. So do many drones.

          This isn’t a “crazy” thing to do. (except if it’s wireless. Keep that cable)

          https://thegamingwatcher.com/pages/articles/best-xbox/2023/6/21/gamepads-military-xbox-controllers-gaming

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            Yeah I absolutely understand that. But that wireless part id what gets me man. Why add so many points of failure? I’m just so mind blown that they were okay with using such off the shelf components.

            I’ve watched the Deep sea challenge documentary maybe 6-7 years ago… and IIRC everything on that sub had to be rigorously tested and custom made. They made sure that the sub was prepared for the worst. They reduced the no of failure points as much as they could. “Always assume anything or everything that can go wrong, will go wrong” was kind of their philosophy.

            So I always assumed that, every other sub and expedition will be treated the same. It’s like sending astronauts to the moon.

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      This may be a silly question, but if magnets can lift cars, why don’t we use them for underwater recovery? Especially things like shipping containers where the most common metal used is magnetic.

      Of course, the problem of finding the vessel still remains.

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            Your idea is good, not silly. Aspects of it would work, if the dude designing the ludicrous sub had used steel like everyone else does. Magnets are very useful things, useful in a lot of ways.

            The guy designed a bad sub, and fired the staff who told him it was a bad sub.

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              Damn and here I was getting ready for a “these things aren’t normally made with magnetic materials” or some such because, of course, “why didn’t anyone think of this before, I can’t be the first person”… yadda yadda…

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    There’s nothing to rescue except a waterlogged carbon fiber tube filled with gore.

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      There are reports that acoustic systems picked up banging noises at 30 minute intervals. Until I heard that, I was convinced it had imploded. Now I’m not so sure, and it’ll only be worse if they aren’t rescued. Implosion would at least have been fast.

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      It sure sounds like they’re likely alive based on the reported banging. Sadly rescue before oxygen runs out seems impossible.

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        They were alive, which is very very sad, but if they lost power (seems likely) then without heaters they would have froze to death a couple days ago.

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    When asked whether his submersible could be used to rescue those on the Titan before they run out of breathable air, Newell looked up from his crowbar and said only “These things, they take time.”

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    He’s going to make a big announcement…but given his history, it may actually have to do with some artifacts he wants to find down there :)