This was why I was against automatically defenerating right away. Now they can’t just put it down to empty meta thinking, there’s an actual reason that can be pointed to.
Wouldn’t it make more sense to move to a server that federates with Threads so that you’re not at a whim of Meta but still able to talk to people there? The point of social networks is communication with friends and those might not be so eager to jump. They might even hear from you how other servers and apps are better and move eventually :)
Any sensible person would want to avoid/run from trouble, not move towards it.
By continuing to interact with Thread users you’re enabling those users to feel justified in not wanting to leave.
This system is similar to what creates regimes like the CCP or North Korea to enforce their citizens to obey their rule otherwise their connections to their family and friends are at risk.
to break this system people must run (brain drain), by staying you enable those at the top to threaten others close to you to listen to them. It’s a cyclic toxic structure.
By continuing to interact with Thread users you’re enabling those users to feel justified in not wanting to leave.
People do not have to leave Threads. They should, but they don’t have to. No harm in interacting with them. In fact, such interaction will make them aware of the alternatives.
Isn’t the problem that it’s only a one way street? And their users vastly outnumber ours?
So you end up in a situation where you give them content and engagement but receive nothing back, since their users can’t see our content. Even worst, our own users are more likely to post on their infrastructure because of the higher count, so the servers federated with them just end up being ghost servers to hold users.
You end up being at their whim because what you had before died.
It’s a problem from content moderation standpoint but also an opportunity. Threads is not trying to steal users from Mastodon, they are already orders of magnitude bigger and current crowd would never switch anyway. The other way around is not so certain. If Threads sucks but you can still participate in it without having an account there then Mastodon becomes a very attractive proposition for people who would never consider ActivityPub based platforms before. Defederating mans you’re robbing yourself of opportunity to court those people.
Also, it’s important to note the timing of when Threads became open to the public and where. For months it was unavailable in the EU because of uncertainties related to Digital Services Act, which among other things enforces interoperability on big platforms. Details for existing ones are still being worked on but Threads was the first big one that launched since it came into effect. It’s been speculated that Threads got a green light from the EU commissioners because they promised interoperability early on. It’s quite likely that Meta had no choice but to open itself up and we’re just enjoying fruits of EU not bowing down to American corpos.
This was not unexpected as Facebook has history of poor moderation and deliberate spread of misinformation.
If you’re an instance owner or admin you might want to consider again defederating from Threads and joining the Fedipact
This was why I was against automatically defenerating right away. Now they can’t just put it down to empty meta thinking, there’s an actual reason that can be pointed to.
They are evidentially bad
Wouldn’t it make more sense to move to a server that federates with Threads so that you’re not at a whim of Meta but still able to talk to people there? The point of social networks is communication with friends and those might not be so eager to jump. They might even hear from you how other servers and apps are better and move eventually :)
That makes no sense.
Any sensible person would want to avoid/run from trouble, not move towards it.
By continuing to interact with Thread users you’re enabling those users to feel justified in not wanting to leave.
This system is similar to what creates regimes like the CCP or North Korea to enforce their citizens to obey their rule otherwise their connections to their family and friends are at risk.
People do not have to leave Threads. They should, but they don’t have to. No harm in interacting with them. In fact, such interaction will make them aware of the alternatives.
I have this radical idea that Threads users are people too.
Isn’t the problem that it’s only a one way street? And their users vastly outnumber ours?
So you end up in a situation where you give them content and engagement but receive nothing back, since their users can’t see our content. Even worst, our own users are more likely to post on their infrastructure because of the higher count, so the servers federated with them just end up being ghost servers to hold users.
You end up being at their whim because what you had before died.
It’s a problem from content moderation standpoint but also an opportunity. Threads is not trying to steal users from Mastodon, they are already orders of magnitude bigger and current crowd would never switch anyway. The other way around is not so certain. If Threads sucks but you can still participate in it without having an account there then Mastodon becomes a very attractive proposition for people who would never consider ActivityPub based platforms before. Defederating mans you’re robbing yourself of opportunity to court those people.
Also, it’s important to note the timing of when Threads became open to the public and where. For months it was unavailable in the EU because of uncertainties related to Digital Services Act, which among other things enforces interoperability on big platforms. Details for existing ones are still being worked on but Threads was the first big one that launched since it came into effect. It’s been speculated that Threads got a green light from the EU commissioners because they promised interoperability early on. It’s quite likely that Meta had no choice but to open itself up and we’re just enjoying fruits of EU not bowing down to American corpos.