In July 2024, ANI filed a lawsuit against Wikimedia Foundation in the Delhi High Court — claiming to have been defamed in its article on Wikipedia — and sought ₹2 crore (US$240,000) in damages. At the time of the suit’s filing, the Wikipedia article about ANI said the news agency had “been accused of having served as a propaganda tool for the incumbent central government, distributing materials from a vast network of fake news websites, and misreporting events on multiple occasions”. The filing accused Wikipedia of publishing “false and defamatory content with the malicious intent of tarnishing the news agency’s reputation, and aimed to discredit its goodwill”.
On 5 September, the Court threatened to hold Wikimedia guilty of contempt for failing to disclose information about the editors who had made changes to the article and warned that Wikipedia might be blocked in India upon further non-compliance. The judge on the case stated “If you don’t like India, please don’t work in India… We will ask government to block your site”. In response, Wikimedia emphasized that the information in the article was supported by multiple reliable secondary sources. Justice Manmohan said “I think nothing can be worse for a news agency than to be called a puppet of an intelligence agency, stooge of the government. If that is true, the credibility goes.”
On 21 October, the Wikimedia Foundation suspended access to the article for Asian News International vs. Wikimedia Foundation due to an order from the court.
Lot of knee jerk reaction here, to the point of not donating and abandoning the greatest collective effort made on the Internet.
The specific suspended page directly relates to an ongoing lawsuit, where WikiMedia is the defendant.
Also, Streisand effect much? :D
I think this is confusing so tried to understand it and here is what I understand. The Wikipedia page for Asian News International is up. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_News_International And it says things like ANI is the “mouthpiece” of the Indian government. There is a section about the lawsuit and it quotes what ANI didn’t like about it. This is what the lawsuit was first about, but this page and the discussion page are still up as of 27 Oct 2024. The page can’t be modified and given what you can see it looks like there was some editing wars that happened before editing was taken away.
Now about https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_News_International_vs._Wikimedia_Foundation The article and discussion page that was taken down is about the ongoing lawsuit. It been replaced with a page saying it was taken down and a link to the actual lawsuit. Which I suggest people read. I do think the Indian government has a point if you read the lawsuit. This is a ongoing lawsuit and the page taken down had info on it and a discussion page where people were talking about the ongoing lawsuit. The lawsuit says that this “…Complicates and compounds the issue at hand.” And if you know anything about lawsuits the first thing people do or are told to do is to shut up about it. This page was really the opposite. I can see why Wikimedia complied.
That the lawsuit happened in the first place is disturbing. But I think Wikimedia replacement page for the ongoing lawsuit is not surprising and reasonable. If they had taken down the main article, now that would be disturbing.
I do think the Indian government has a point if you read the lawsuit. This is a ongoing lawsuit and the page taken down had info on it and a discussion page where people were talking about the ongoing lawsuit. The lawsuit says that this “…Complicates and compounds the issue at hand.”
Hard disagree. Ongoing lawsuits often have complicated issues, but are nonetheless topics of public concern. It’s sometimes inconvenient for governments and large corporations to have the public aware of the lawsuit and the underlying facts and issues, but that’s no reason to impose a gag order.
Frankly, whenever I hear a court give vague rationales like “complicates the issues,” I assume they judge just doesn’t like the criticism. That’s what it sounds like here.
It is a public concern and any organization/people not a part of the lawsuit can talk and discuss it. Which we are doing. I even used the Wikipedia page we are talking about to discuss the lawsuit since it has the Order is on it. The full lawsuit isn’t on that page, I made a mistake last night.
If there is a ongoing lawsuit that Wikimedia isn’t a part of then they can have a Wikipedia page and discussion going on. That’s their right.
My agreement is with the request in the Order for Wikimedia to not having ongoing discussion about the lawsuit. This isn’t a gag order on everyone, it is just Wikimedia removing the info on the page about the lawsuit. And Wikimedia has info why they removed it and allowing people to read the Order so I think that is Wikimedia saying something without discussing it and it makes the Indian government look bad.
The order mentions more than “complicates the issue” so you might want to read the Order and gives more examples of what you see of their vagueness because it seemed reasonable to me. I find the lawsuit itself wrong and should have been thrown out.
Fuck the Indian state and its enablers.
Yeah. India is pretty much a piece of shit country. Their government seems really corrupt and they pollute like mad while they still have so much of their busted caste system in place. All while being racist as hell.
they still have so much of their busted caste system in place
That really depends on the region, and it’s more a cultural thing than an actual construct. A large chunk of the country doesn’t meaningfully follow the caste system.
Source: Indian colleagues from various parts of the country.
Ask them how they feel about marrying someone outside of their caste.
I have. In some areas, they still practice arranged marriages, whereas in others, it works a lot more like in western countries.
India is a big, diverse country, and almost all of it has gone through substantial changes in the last few decades WRT social structure. The caste system has gone from “basically universal” to “a strong influence in decisions” to “barely recognizable in significant parts of the country.” Yes, it still exists in some form in many areas, but it also is effectively dead in many others.
India is pretty much a piece of shit country
All while being racist as hell
Cognitive dissonance much?
Is it racist to say Florida is a shit-hole even the insurance companies don’t bother touching?
Oh, it isn’t? Because states and governments aren’t people? Oh okay!
Maybe I just don’t think “country” == “government”, and I try to be careful with my phrasing so as not to make blanket pejorative statements about people.
insurance
They’re leaving because of natural disaster risk, and that article also explains why some are leaving California.
And Farmers recently announced that it will limit writing new home policies in California, citing wildfire risks and high costs. That move follows Allstate and State Farm, which also said they will not issue new home insurance policies in the state.
The reasoning has way more to do with risk of people actually filing claims than anything to do with the people there.
Saying Florida is a shit-hole doesn’t mean I just hate anyone that comes from Florida. I’ve vacationed a time or two in that shit-hole.
Not at all. It’s not really speculation or opinion or projection. It’s not even a secret. They are known quite well at overall being horribly racist. They’re even racist against portions of their own country. Let alone foreigners.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_News_International_vs._Wikimedia_Foundation
wtf???
Why would they even bother to comply, India has no jurisdiction. Plenty of countries have banned wikipedia pages and the entire site before, why did wikimedia have to go out of their way to do it for them globally?
The current Indian government has prosecuted or detained employees of foreign companies in the past for actions taken by the company. There is a real risk here.
can’t ban pages anymore with https, and while they don’t want to be lumped in with the authoritarian states that ban all on Wikipedia, they are like them at heart
Right! It’s so suspicious they did it worldwide.
I don’t know what exactly is blocked worldwde, but in the frenche Wikipedia here, while the description is short, it’s here and extremely explicit:
[ANI] est pointée comme une « fabrique de fake news », un canal de désinformation proche du gouvernement indien4, dont les articles citent pour décrédibiliser les rivaux du pays de prétendus experts inventés de toutes pièces in other words, ‘{the ANI news agency] is considered a fake news factory and a deinformation channel close to the government whose papers use to quote invented fake experts to de-credibilize rival countries’ Couldn’t be clearer (and unbanned)…
This is the blocked article:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_News_International_vs._Wikimedia_Foundation (https://archive.is/ZmGGk)
Here’s an archived version of it before getting blocked: https://archive.is/dNTEl
from that page i can switch to English ☞ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_News_International
In July 2024, ANI filed a lawsuit against Wikimedia Foundation in the Delhi High Court — claiming to have been defamed in its article on Wikipedia — and sought ₹2 crore (US$240,000) in damages. At the time of the suit’s filing, the Wikipedia article about ANI said the news agency had “been accused of having served as a propaganda tool for the incumbent central government, distributing materials from a vast network of fake news websites, and misreporting events on multiple occasions”. The filing accused Wikipedia of publishing “false and defamatory content with the malicious intent of tarnishing the news agency’s reputation, and aimed to discredit its goodwill”.
On 5 September, the Court threatened to hold Wikimedia guilty of contempt for failing to disclose information about the editors who had made changes to the article and warned that Wikipedia might be blocked in India upon further non-compliance. The judge on the case stated “If you don’t like India, please don’t work in India… We will ask government to block your site”. In response, Wikimedia emphasized that the information in the article was supported by multiple reliable secondary sources. Justice Manmohan said “I think nothing can be worse for a news agency than to be called a puppet of an intelligence agency, stooge of the government. If that is true, the credibility goes.”
On 21 October, the Wikimedia Foundation suspended access to the article for Asian News International vs. Wikimedia Foundation due to an order from the court.
which is what’s quoted by OP
Damn corps always getting away with stuff. They should fine them as a percentage of profit ….😉
you did not leave space between the quote and your message after it, and clients see it as a whole quote
You mean between the French article and the English comment? :)
yes, that
Fuck the Indian regime.
Fuck all abusive government
Feels like that’s kind of most of them right now.
Doesn’t it though? A relative handful of people just fucking shit up for everyone on earth.
Article is specifically about India
Fuck all abusive government.
This article is specifically about India, going All Lives Matter just seems strange here.
Comparing the censorship of a Wikipedia article to the treatment of black people is shameful. You’re way off base.
Using a baseball allusion when referring to censorship is shameful. You really dropped the ball here.
Haha
I’m saying you are taking a specific criticism and veering it into a vague criticism. The article is about India so criticism is directed towards India. Saying “it’s bad whoever does it” bring nothing to the table.
And you’re taking a vague criticism and trying to make it into something it’s not.
Fuck me.
… please?
Don’t threaten me with a good time.
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I think nothing can be worse for a news agency than to be called a puppet of an intelligence agency, stooge of the government. If that is true, the credibility goes
So close and yet still missing the point. It’s not that wikipedia says it, it’s that it’s the truth, and we can’t have website showing true facts, something this judge no doubt understands very well (or at least his wallet does)
Frack all of these people, I’m so tired about a few authoritarian narcissists making the world a shit show.
if this 👇 happened in France, than of course that 👆 can happen in India
The DCRI summoned a Wikipedia volunteer in their offices on April 4th [2013]. This volunteer, which was one of those having access to the tools that allow the deletion of pages, was forced to delete the article while in the DCRI offices, on the understanding that he would have been held in custody and prosecuted if he did not comply. Under pressure, he had no other choice than to delete the article, despite explaining to the DCRI this is not how Wikipedia works. He warned the other sysops that trying to undelete the article would engage their responsibility before the law. This volunteer had no link with that article, having never edited it and not even knowing of its existence before entering the DCRI offices. He was chosen and summoned because he was easily identifiable, given his regular promotional actions of Wikipedia and Wikimedia projects in France.
As a thin veil of excuse, the DCRI incident involved what they considered military secrets rather than defamation charges. Still dumb to do that extrajudicially, of course.
I would expect something like this from my mother country sooner than India. Surprised but not that surprised. The precedent being set is concerning.
The precedent was years ago with Facebook and WhatsApp blocking alleged anti government messages (which the court branded as anti-nation, sedition). Last year the BBC documentary about Modi and alleged fascism was world news and led to the departure of BBC from India. The problem is that the world sees India as an emerging market where in fact it is a fascist country in the making.
Blocking an article worldwide based on the orders of a single oppressive regime? That settles it, Wikipedia is no longer worth donating to, since they’ve proven they’re willing to bow to this type of thing rather than stand behind the truth.
What’s been blocked? Looks like just the ANI vs Wikipedia, but I don’t think that’s abnormal for an ongoing lawsuit. The ANI page is still up
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Article is still up, I dont really understand this post.
Uh… No it isn’t? Like, my dude, did you click the link up there?
The article on the lawsuit is blocked, which is standard procedure for participants of an ongoing lawsuit: Talk to your lawyer about it, and nobody else, because anything you say without your lawyer’s counsel might jeopardise your legal position. Even if it’s just people editing that article, the foundation will want to protect itself until the matter is settled.
Don’t forget that non-profits, too, are beholden to laws. If they want to continue offering their services in India, they don’t really want to be charged for contempt on top of the other case.
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Fake news got its feelz hurt
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Hahaha go ahead and block it you dumb fucks, only your citizenry will suffer.
This is pretty big news, I would think it would be relevant in way more than just one article, time to do some updating.
How can they block this for everyone?
The Wikimedia Foundation has suspended access to this page due to an order by the Delhi High Court, without prejudice to the Foundation’s rights. We are pursuing all available legal options.
This just makes me want to see it more.
Hello Streisand effect.
I think that part of the point of Wikimedia complying with the Order. Which you can read the Order at https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_News_International_vs._Wikimedia_Foundation . Also the page the lawsuit is actually about is still up, but frozen.
Yeah, you know there’s bound to be some juicy drama if they want to remove it so bad.
it’s more of a blackmail. Wikipedia could have kept the article online for everybody but they would have deprived 1,5 billion people in India of the whole Wikipedia.
The judge on the case stated “If you don’t like India, please don’t work in India… We will ask government to block your site”.
On 21 October, the Wikimedia Foundation suspended access to the article for Asian News International vs. Wikimedia Foundation due to an order from the court.
Also, how can they sue a company based in another country.
i’m guessing that it must be like Xitter in Brazil. If a company is present in a country, they may require a legal representation which can be held accountable.
