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    We should give them enough gear to substantially weaken our own military.

    The Dems need to learn to play dirty. Biden needs to de-fang his own office as much as possible in the next 2 months. And as official acts, he can do it with the Court’s blessing.

    Stop taking the high road and burn the fucking White House down before Trump can take it back.

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      Gift the entirety of military resources not stationed in CONUS to NATO allies. If the plan was to try to strong-arm our allies for protection, literally take the ammo away.

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        Those NATO allies (Poland) don’t even intercept Russian missiles when they enter Polish air space. Belarus has a better track record of shooting down Russian drones.

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      And as official acts, he can do it with the Court’s blessing.

      You forget, the courts only would use that logic to help republicans and hinder democrats.

      Precedent has no meaning to these fucks.

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    Prepare a last minute assassination plan on Putin. Who else can do it if not the self described “greatest nation in the world”.

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      It’s still the same as before and nothing on the level USA does for Israel where they happily intercept rockets for that rich, well armed count with an installed iron dome air defense.

      Still no US air raids on Donbas and Crimea and such.

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      Maybe democrats expected a negative effect on the ballots because of it. Macron did something similar while running against le pen on last year? and released the package as soon as the ellection was settled

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      Because the military-industrial complex needed to slow-drip the weapons to make the war last as long as possible.

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    Until today, I’ve been thoroughly in favor of supporting Ukraine. Since Ukraine isn’t going to get any support from the next administration, rushing out a final aid package (if the current administration can even manage that) only seems like it will briefly delay Russia’s slow victory.

    I’d like to be shown that I’m wrong. Please comment if you have an outlook that’s more positive than mine.

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      There is a tremendous amount of mostly empty Ukrainian land left. If Russia wants it all, their casualties will end in the millions, even without additional US aid. We’re not the only suppliers, after all.

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      I have one, hear me out: it looks like the current german gov will decide to give up and have early elections. Current polls suggest that Merz will become chancellor. On multiple occasions he criticized Scholz for his cautious approach and voiced his support for Taurus deliveries. Not sure if he will go through but I think he specifically mentioned Taurus so often and prominently that it won’t be easy to back pedal now. So it’s likely that Taurus (and with it the Kerch bridge?) is back on the menu.

      (Imho he’s quite a shitty politician otherwise, but maybe he can get at least this right)

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        With the current Zeitgeist, I’m afraid of a landslide win for the AfD

        But maybe I just lost hope…

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            Jap… Mehr hab ich dazu leider gar nicht zu sagen

            Mein Alkoholismus ist nur mittlerweile etwas schwer zu finanzieren…

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      With Trump supporting Russia will be a fast victory.

      Next aid will be for Russia.
      Trump already helped Putin with COVID tests, why not give full support, no one can stop him now

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      Fucking idiot. The replacement weapons will be made here and paid to companies here

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      You think they are venmoing Ukraine?

      The aid is for weapons delivery via 2 paths:

      1. Write off appropriation and backfill of mothballed stock we already needed to rotate out or destroy, due to shelf life

      2. Net new construction of weapons for immediate delivery to Ukraine. That construction happens in the US and us partner nations, and provides the US valuable use Intel as a cherry on top.

      It’s valuable spending either way.

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        There are also direct money transfers and guarantees for loans and other financial instruments.

        As for mothballed weapons, it’s often cheaper to deliver them to Ukraine than to dispose of them.

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          That, along with Russia not congratulating Trump are the only things giving me some hope Trump might pivot with the right push. “We made an amazing deal, Ukraine will cheaply dispose of our old weapons and punish those filthy ungrateful Russians” would be very much on brand for Trump if you insert a bunch of rambling in the middle.

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      Jesus fucking Christ, do you think we are shipping crates of Benjamins to Ukraine?

      Are you really this fucking stupid? Clearly the majority of people in the United States are the dumbest motherfuckers alive, so I just need clarification.

      That money is spent here. The money gets pumped into the US economy.

      We get rid of ancient military equipment, Ukraine gets a boost, and the US economy gets billions of dollars pumped into it

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        Please educated one tell us how many schools do the weapon manufacturers that get these checks build?

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        Mmm no, I’m aware they don’t send money. I certainly never said that. And by spend, I mean on the people, not giving it to weapons manufacturers who definitely aren’t putting that money back into the economy.

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        Yes. As much as I support Ukraine, it’s a waste of money at this point. Russia can go forever. We need to spend money here to brace for impact.

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          Russia+NKorea surely can’t go longer than US and Europe, look at the numbers in economy, population etc. Even if the US pulls out, Europe on its own would have more than enough resources to outspend Putin. It’s a matter of political will, that’s all. If Europe would be equally commited to Ukraine then Russia wouldn’t stand a chance. So whether it’s a waste of money or not now is a question of whether Europe is willing to properly support Ukraine. I guess you could make the point that it’s about time we finally decide this, but the means surely are there and at our disposal.

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            The key point is “if [they] would”

            Europe and the US really don’t want to get involved more than they are. Sure, we can toss them some of our bullets for good measure, but they don’t want boots on the ground.

            Russia really could just throw more people at the problem. They’ll draft the whole country before they give up. Putin is that crazy.