I read a Reddit (through RDX mind you) post the other day that included the Who we serve page from the democrats’ website. The user noted that men were not on that list and pointed it out as on of the reasons Kamala Harris had lost. Meaning the Democratic Party should pander to the white young men demographic as well. A link to the post (through RDX)

I keep seeing this sentiment over and over again on social media. And I can’t help but make the analogy to the “All lives matter.” as opposed to “Black Lives matter.” Am I wrong to think this? I am not from the United States. Please don’t bite my head off as this is no stupid questions.

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    The fact that (up to) 15 million Democratic voters stayed home and/or voted 3rd party is a failure on our part to not take that threat seriously.

    But WHY?? This is the one thing I just can’t wrap my head around. How were all those warnings and the fact Trump would run again not enough?? Understand that I am trying to make sense of this election from an outsiders perspective. But it feels like I’m trying to uncover a magic trick.

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        By that same logic…

        People could ask why Kamala insisted on doubling down on support of a genocide knowing it was seriously hurting her chances to stop trump.

        If voters always have to compromise and politicians can do what they want with no consequences…

        That’s how Republicans got stuck with trump.

        Not having standards is not an effective way to fight fascism, especially when the alternative you’re holding your nose for won’t actually try to get rid of fascists because the only other option being fascist is the only reason they can win (sometimes).

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      But WHY??

      Because Dem voters have always needed something to vote for, voting against works for Republicans.

      But there’s significant brain differences between the two groups, what’s effective for one isn’t for the other

      The problem is the “moderates” running the DNC think like Republicans, and part of that is a reduction in empathy that prevents them from understanding others think differently. They legitimately have no idea what went wrong right now, their brains can’t comprehend another person’s point of view.

      So we’ve got two political parties ran by conservatives, it’s just only one actually understands how their voters think. So they keep winning even with trump.

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        Because Dem voters have always needed something to vote for, voting against works for Republicans.

        Technically Republicans are voting for something when when they are voting to destroy the government. Their goal just happens to be destructive.

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        I kinda thought they would learn from Obama’s success in promoting hope and change, but no, they are right back to trying to peel off Republican voters instead of motivating the unengaged voters like he did.

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          That wasn’t success for them, it was almost their deathknell.

          If Obama had appointed progressive leadership in 2008 shit would be a lot different and Bernie would likely be leaving his second term right now.

          The people running the DNC retain power when a moderate Dem wins because they’ll stay the course and appoint the same DNC leadership.

          They retain power when a republican wins because they vote for their own leadership then.

          The literal only way they can lose is if a progressive becomes president and doesn’t decide to ignore the DNC like Obama did.

          That’s why they’d rather have trump than someone that wants to ban fracking.

          The DNC isn’t fighting fascism, it’s just the left boot.

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      How were all those warnings and the fact Trump would run again not enough??

      Because a bunch of whiny little bitches decided to become single issue voters.

      “WAAAAAH, PALESTINE!!!”

      Refuses to vote or votes 3rd party, guaranteeing the guy that will allow Palestine to turn to dust becomes president.

      “WAAAAAH, STOP GIVING MONEY TO UKRAINE!!!”

      Fails to understand that we’re doing that to keep our adversary from expanding their borders and threatening Europe/NATO.

      “WAAAAAH, DEMOCRATS DIDN’T ENSHRINE ROE INTO LAW!!!”

      Refuses to vote or votes 3rd party, guaranteeing the party that literally repealed Roe controls all aspects of our government.

      The real answer to your question is that Americans are STUUUUUUUUPID. Clinically stupid. Uneducated. Uninstersted in informing themselves responsibly. STUUUUUUUUUPID.

      Which is why we’ll suffer and are likely to be locked in to a long period of serious decline. Sucks to be us.

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        Yes, thank you. Every generation “discovers” the Palestinian issue and then some act like its a new problem. And then some dumb-asses in America choose that as their hill to die on. To the point where they helped Trump get elected this time.

        The Palestinians have been locked in a death embrace with Israel for 80 years and no amount of whining by privileged American protesters is going to change that. Do they really think that more river-to-the-sea terrorism is going to make the Israelis just give up and die? No, a two-state solution where all the Palestinians move to the West Bank and all the Israeli settlers move back to Israel is the only viable solution. Every generation eventually figures that out, too. Also, Gaza is finished this time. It was always a dumb idea to have two separate Palestinian enclaves.

        It is down to the practical matter of separating the two sides and imposing a peace since apparently they can’t do it for themselves. If that sounds harsh, it is almost certainly better for the Palestinians than letting the Israelis settle it the Roman way. And that is on the table now, since I’m sure we can all agree that Trump doesn’t give a single shit on his golden toilet about the Palestinians.

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          Yup.

          I don’t want bad things to happen anywhere in the world, but the bottom line is we have our own shit to deal with and jeopardizing our own country by becoming a single issue voter over two countries in a neverending religious conflict on the other side of the planet is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever seen.

          We’re literally going to be in a state of decline for an unknown period of years now partially because we chose to place another country over our own by voting for the guy that made it clear he would allow that country to turn to dust.

          It sounds stupid because it is, in fact, unbelievably stupid.