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    If all electric cars are just going to be subscription bullshit, I’m sorry, I won’t be driving electric.

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      Even ICE manufacturers have been including hardware that software disabled for a while

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        I got an OBDeleven for my 2015 GTI so I could unlock stuff and customize. Enabled rolling down the windows with the key fob, being able to display the engine oil temp in the dash and also setting the accelerator pedal curve to linear.

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            The accelerator curve is really cool. A lot of modern cars just have a sensor that detects your pedal position and a simple algorithm decides how much power to translate that into. It’s like adjusting the mouse speed on a computer. Feels like you’re driving a different car.

            Having said that, the default curve is often the best curve. They put a lot more effort into getting it right than you would.

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            Kinda depends on the car. Volkswagen cars are pretty “hackable” with OBDeleven which is a wireless interface for the hilariously named “VAGCOM” protocol.

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            Almost every car company does something similar and has as long as they’ve had on board computers.

            VW/Audi/Porche are all the same company and generally share the same electronics. A lot of gauges and features are considered “premium” so they just disable them for VW branded vehicles. There’s also regional feature lockouts; IIRC North American VW’s can’t have their fog-lights and headlights on at the same time but you can enable it through VAGCOM.

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        Subscribe to enable your BMW seat heater! They definitely require periodic software updates and is absolutely NOT a blatant money grab

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        There are some manufacturers that do not do this garbage, or at least not often. I’ve heard good things about Hyundai specifically.

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          For now they have customer goodwill to win back after nearly a decade of building cars that practically fell apart in a year or 2 in the late 00s and early 10s.

          They’ll catch up to the others in anti-consumer practices soon, but for now they’re a good choice if you don’t particularly care for performance or ride quality.

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          Tesla got rid of the heater subscription bullshit in 2021. Now, the only thing locked behind a paywall is internet related stuff (sentry over mobile, streaming media access, etc.), the performance boost, and FSD.

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      It won’t just be electric cars, it’ll be all new model cars from manufacturing companies. At least until ICE is phased out.

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        Yeah. GM’s subscription nonsense is for their ice cars too. BMW’s aborted seat heater thing was too.

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        This is why I keep an oldish diesel car with no extra electronic features in my garage. No weird features, and can still run even without a battery.

        Although, I think the reason I kept the car is because of my paranoia of an EMP event frying electronics.

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        Yeah that’s true. I wonder if the market for older cars has been going up yet.

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      Have you seen the automotive industry as of late? This isn’t a EV issue nor is it really new. We’ve had things like OnStar for years and the entire industry has started to chase the gaming industry’s microtransaction BS for a while now.

      https://www.theverge.com/2022/7/12/23204950/bmw-subscriptions-microtransactions-heated-seats-feature

      https://www.thedrive.com/news/43329/toyota-made-its-key-fob-remote-start-into-a-subscription-service

      The future looks like a potential live service hell scape for the auto industry EV or otherwise.

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        Everything is being ruined. It feels like hyperbole but I’m not sure it is.

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        Yes, I know it’s industry wide. What I’m saying is that with EV being the future of cars I don’t want them all to be subscription based.

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      I have a Rivian and it works great with no subscription. The only thing you can add via Sub is a hotspot, which seems reasonable to me.

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      At some point, there will be practically nothing else to drive…

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          The average lemming:

          • concerned about online privacy
          • strongly against digital surveillance
          • rides exclusively public transit where there is surveillance everywhere
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            There’s cameras everywhere watching the road too if you really care that much and you better believe your car model and license plate is a much more reliable form of identifying information than a blurry face on a bus security camera.

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            By ‘surveillance,’ do you mean a bus security camera to make sure no one is stabbing the driver? Because I’m pretty sure most of us don’t have much of a problem with that. It’s comprehensive government surveillance that is the problem.

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              Unfortunately, “camera to make sure no one stabs the driver” is the exact tool used by “comprehensive government surveillance”. It’s something we’re forced to accept.

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                I would like evidence that security cameras on buses are used by the government for comprehensive surveillance. I don’t even know how they would accomplish such a thing with a stationary camera in a bus.

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            There is surveillance everywhere outside, even having your own car doesn’t protect you from having your privacy encroached. That’s why I never go outside.

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              When does “you should minimize your physical footprint so that you are harder to profile by bad people” suddenly become “just stay inside at all times and never go out”?

              Even with digital privacy, nothing is 100% effective.

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                When you decided to make an ignorant comment about public transportation.

                Obviously nothing is 100%. That’s a given and doesn’t need to be said.

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        Sure there will, always. Fix it yourself jalopies aren’t going away. Get yourself a cheap-o used junker and mod it to be electric, if you can’t or won’t use ICE. DIY isn’t just 3d printers and FOSS. Or get a bicycle and mod it into an e-bike.

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      All these upgrades are one time payments for an upgrade, much like sales point dealer add-ons for conventional cars. However recently they did allow you to buy a monthly subscription to FSD. But the option to buy it outright was always there, and still remains.