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      Apple still giving software support to the iPhone 8, released almost 6 years ago. Is there currently another company still pushing updates to a phone that old?

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        A PC from 2003 still runs a modern OS. No Apple isn’t the good guy, other companies are just even cheaper.

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          That 2003 PC probably does not receive firmware updates from the manufacturer, and hasn’t for over a decade.

          It might still function, but that doesn’t mean it is still supported. At this point, many operating systems won’t even install due to the x86-64bit requirements.

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            None of that matters. No company can say what your hardware can do. Apple’s policies are disgustingly anti-user.

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              Nothing else matters except privacy and security for me. Apple provides that in their phones.

              PCs from 2003 are full of vulnerabilities, use legacy instruction sets, lack power efficiency, lack manufacture support, do not support UEFI, have no IOMMU hardware isolation, have no modern VM capabilities, probably have no TPM, etc etc etc.

              If Apple is anti-user, then we need to also start blaming every single hardware manufacturer that doesnt support their products anymore. Manufacturers of phones, motherboards, TVs, SSDs, displays, mice, keyboards, printers, network equipment, etc etc etc.

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                  Ok then those that can’t afford Apple can shop other brands. They just won’t get the Apple support, and will have to rely on community efforts to keep their machines running.

                  What exactly do you want Apple to do here?

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        My 6s still gets software support, does it run the latest OS? No, of course not and nor should it. But Apple is still supporting/supplying my old ass iPhone general software/security updates. It’s in a company’s best interest to get customers to purchase their latest products but that shouldn’t undercut their commitment to their older products. I have stayed an Apple customer not because of their new products but because of the longevity of their old products/ support for said products.

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        Is that an argument in favor of glued-in batteries, though? A lot of users’ phones aren’t going to make it for six years if it’s non-trivial (or impossible) to swap out the battery for a new one.

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          It uses pull-tab adhesive, which even most Right-to-Repair advocates consider ‘sufficiently repairable’. When it comes to glue, Samsung’s worse by a mile.

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          The battery is replaceable. Take it to any Apple Store and they’ll swap it for you for $89 or so. The adhesive is kind of like what they use on those 3m command strips.

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            If you think paying a third or even half of the current value of your phone to replace its battery is okay…well that’s your loss I guess.

            You can’t call a device sustainable when the cost to repair it is more than what most people are willing to pay.

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              I’m not aware of a brand new iPhone that costs $170. For me it was worth the $80 or so to have it swapped and extend the life of my phone another six years. Cheaper than buying another phone.

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                I’m not aware of a brand new iPhone that costs $170

                Why would you be replacing the battery of a brand new iPhone? I am talking about the cost of an iPhone when its old enough that its battery is giving out. The value of that old iPhone is not as much as a brand new one. Deprecation is a thing. Spending $80 bucks on something that’s currently worth $170 is just stupid. $80 bucks is easily in the price range that makes people consider whether it’d be better off for them to put that towards a new phone. It’s a lot of money to sink into an old device that you know is already about to become obsolete.

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                  Yes it’s like taking your $500 beater car to the mechanic and they tell you it’ll cost $3000 to get it running again but with no guarantee for how long.

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                  This just seems like arguing for the sake of arguing. I just replaced my battery for shy of $50 which is a bit much but I lazied out on the ifixit kit.

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      The most sustainable phone is the one you already own

      and that’s coming from Fairphone, a company that sells more sustainable devices. Imagine the footprint of other brands.

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    Does anyone know if he really uninstalled GrapheneOS of his device after the disagreement with Daniel Micay (former lead developer of GrapheneOS Project ) or it was just a clickbait?

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    Every time I see Rossman’s face he is butthurt about Apple. I don’t know if it’s just the reporting or does he ignore issues presented by other manufacturers

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      He has been running a repair shop for apple products for a decade. So he is more knowledgeable about them as well as more affected by their choices regarding repairability.

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      He does often mention that others do it too, and has videos about other companies like Samsung, or camera companies, just not nearly as much.

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      Apple isn’t perfect, but they are a great target to get clicks. I’ve been repairing phones, as a charity for kids in need for years, and they can be annoying to fix but they’re way more straightforward than most Android phones. Parts are usually really cheap and easy to find too.

      He should be going after the $300 Android phone that is made to be disposable and is basically unrepairable. I don’t even bother with those anymore.

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      If you watched any of his videos you’d know the answer and you wouldn’t have made this comment.

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        I don’t and I did. What’s your point? I’m not gonna watch some YouTuber I’m not interested in just to find out if he is butthurt about other things than

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    Doesn’t this guy own a phone repair company, and so would have a lot of interest in making an argument for that?

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        …So he wants to expand into phones. And I wouldn’t, I just don’t like when guys pretend they’re not doing the exact thing apple is doing.

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          Have you considered he opened a repair store cause he’s sick of the bullshit consumerism and irreparable devices

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            No. Hadn’t considered that at all. I had thought about how he opened a business to make money though.

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              By your logic, any business is evil because they make money and exploit the customer. Now you win the argument, go home.

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              I used to watch his content a couple of years ago and I remember him saying multiple times that he reaches his goal if he goes out of buisness. Devices being so easy to repair, that his services are no longer needed would be a reason he’ll gladly accpect as a failure of his buisness. I haven’t watched him in a while so I’m not sure whether he still holds that opinion. But given that the laptops, phones and harddrives waiting for repair where literary piling up in his workshop, it’s more likely that his shop burns down than him running out of customers. What he lacks is time, and skilled workers to fullfill orders, which are much harder to come by than broken electronics.

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          this guy just wants to help you replace parts of your phone instead of your whole phone

          I don’t see the issue

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          No, he used to do phones a long time ago though iirc. He’s repeatedly said he doesn’t want to get back into phone repair because there’s no margin.

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      It’s the opposite for his business. His business become useless if people can replace batteries by themselves what the EU rule states.

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      Even so, what the problem with that? He advocate and put a lot of effort to change repairability and is beneficial to a lot of people, the Apple side of repairability is beneficial for whom?