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cross-posted from: https://lemm.ee/post/51645406
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The only people not scared of nuclear weapons seem to be Ukrainians. They do not give a fuck what Putin thinks and just keep fighting on.
Putin has effectively vowed (and for the better part of three years also attempted) to slaughter them anyway. To them the threat of nukes just translates to “if you don’t stop fighting back while I try to kill you, I will try to kill you even harder!” That certainly wouldn’t stop me, that’s for sure.
Atomics isn’t the worst way to go.
There’s no broken body or bleeding out. No threat of torture, rape or mutilation.
More than likely the pressure wave will kill you before you even realize what that really bright light is.
I dunno, I’ve read some downright horrific accounts from Hiroshima/Nagasaki. Sure, if you’re right at the hypocenter you’re immediately dead, but lots of folks didn’t die right away, but were horribly burned or got lethal doses of radiation and died slowly and horribly.
Those where the first generation of nukes. Very inefficient. Like comparing muskets to artillery.
So I’m not an expert in nuclear weaponry. However, more modern warheads don’t somehow magically vaporize everything within a certain radius and then not cause effects outside that radius - that’s not how things work. They may have a larger fireball, which is the area within which things (and people) are going to be vaporized, but they still have very large areas where people will receive burns decreasing in severity depending on distance, and (if the warhead is detonated at ground level) radiation doses that will kill within 5 days to 1 month. Check out Nukemap to see those areas in different scenarios. Here’s one that I did for a ground burst of a 800 kt Topol warhead. You can see that the areas for radiation are larger than the fireball itself, and the areas for 2nd and 3rd degree burns are quite large. Setting one of these off anywhere populated would cause an immense amount of human suffering even if the folks in the ~220m fireball never saw it coming.
I’m aware of that. It’s mostly to point out that the bombs used on Hiroshima & Nagasaki are basically dirtybombs by comparison with the modern variants.
But at the end of the day, I guess it’s a matter of personal opinion.
Death isn’t pleasant. And I’m personally less scared of atomic bombs than soldiers. Humans capacity for cruelty is only limited by their imagination.
So in other words you are saying. Any nation with nukes has a right to walk in and take over any non nuke nation. And those nations have no right or duty to defend their borders.
Unless there’s something I’m missing, your response doesn’t seem related to the original comment
I am way less scared of piss baby Putin than I am of micro plastic lymphoma. Fuck it light me up at least it will be quick.
I’m very glad that nothing important depends on my opinion on this and I can freely theoretize and rant, but I doubt Putin would use nukes so easily. At his core he’s still a coward, and he has to know that the ‘West’ couldn’t afford to not react to Russia nuking a European country.
Having said that, even if the threat of Russia using nukes were very real, it shouldn’t weaken our resolve to support Ukraine and put a stop to Russia’s aggression. Because no matter the circumstances, people like Putin cannot be allowed to have any way of forcing the world to stand back and let them commit crimes at will.
Throughout history, appeasement has never worked in anybody’s favour except the aggressor’s. If it turns out that a nuclear retaliatory strike in response to a Russian nuclear attack on another country really is what it takes to stop Putin, then so be it. It can’t be worse in the long term than letting him just take whatever he wants. In that case I just wish we could get this over with already.
