2 of my egyptian comrades had to leave the country because the FBI started investigating them for terrorism after they attended and pro-palestinian protest
I remember hearing about a student protester Cornell almost caused to be deported for protesting last year (archived)
Seems like the tactic is to flood federal judges and see which one breaks.
We have “land of the free” in our fucking theme song how are we fucking that up?
In Human Psychology it’s a pretty well known phenomenon that those who loudly proclaim having certain virtues are the ones less likely to have such virtues.
If you go check the countries whose politicians loudly proclaim as having certain virtues (like being great Democracies or being a land of Freedom) that rule also seems to work pretty well.
You were never the land of the free, it was basically a mockery of freedom
Nah, we were substantially freer than most at first but that didn’t last long.
Don’t forget that “at first,” a certain privileged group may have been freer, but not everyone.
Even then most were still freer here simply because of how remote everything was.
I’m of two minds about this.
Like. If you’re present in another country on a student Vida you’re essentially a guest and a certain level of respect, and gratitude, I feel, is important for that privilege. Even if the right to protest is guaranteed for that country’s citizens you are not citizens.
That being said I think our shared duty to do the right thing should bear more weight than any sense of obligation or hospitality.
Given the long dick of the US, rising racist sentiment, and the personal risk it takes to put yourself on the line for a greater cause, I think protesting is probably the right thing even if it is kind of rude.
For better or worse activism can be a big part of campus life and I don’t think a culture of fear is conducive to a healthy academic sphere.
When I was in uni I was constantly dodging massive protests / counter protests from Israelis / Palestinians, having lectures interrupted. It annoyed the hell out of me at the time but in hindsight I’m grateful to have lived in a place where people could fight for their views, even if they supported Israel and were stupid dipshits.
Even if the right to protest is guaranteed for that country’s citizens you are not citizens.
Doesn’t the Constitution protect all people in the land, not just citizens?
It’s somewhat tricky, it refers to ‘the people’ or ‘persons’, but some things don’t make sense if you apply it to non-citizens. There’s been cases to establish how it applies in regards to specific amendments, but I haven’t heard of something coming up that definitively established whether that applies for the right to assemble.
A fact sheet on the order promises “immediate action” by the Justice Department to prosecute “terroristic threats, arson, vandalism and violence against American Jews” and marshal all federal resources to combat what it called “the explosion of antisemitism on our campuses and streets” since the Oct. 7, 2023, attack on Israel by Palestinian Islamist group Hamas.
look i hate trunp and gop but what’s wrong with canceling student visa of criminals?
Because Trump paints with an ugly brush and will surely target pro Palestine protesters who didn’t break a law. And this is clearly the government retaliating against free speech and the right to protest.
Every person who crossed the border illegally or overstayed their visa according to Trump is a racist, murdering, drug dealer. Why would these protesters be any different?
Because the claims are outright lies. Protesting Israel is not antisemetic.
