No idea why you’re getting downvoted until I saw it was lemmy.world This place time and again proves to be where all the western Reddit refugees with all the stupidity but none of the nuance old Reddit had.

Precisely because the west used brutality and slavery and essentially tried to colonize/puppet the entire world is PRECISELY why nobody should give a shit what the west says. How many democratic nations have you couped for you resource exploitation, how many millions have died under so called “American led world peace” just this century alone? You don’t need to be a tankie to criticise the west wholesale slaughtering and justifying continuous wars in the middle east, and south America. Just need be a human with a functional brain and empathy

Honestly so do I but more like culturally rich rather than literally. Islam would be Hella dim if it wasn’t for Persian influences, and I say this as a non Persian.

I hope the world never forgets this, I never will, nor will I let the next generation. We are propagandised all throughout school about ww2 and the holocaust. So wtf is this???

If this is what they do to their allies, can you imagine what they do to prisoners/enemies?

How many more need to die before the west recognise it’s endorsing, funding and defending a very active genocide? Does anyone out there really believe only 40k have died? Or even 180k? Once the dust has settled it won’t suprise me if over half a million were killed and the west absolutely defending while going in circles airing their unequivocal support for Jews like what the actual fuck. Nobody has any right to dare talk about anti semitism again after this war, because I longer respect anti semitism, they’ve caused enough suffering in Palestine, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt and so on.

Generally I found more sensible people on Lemmy but I guess not everyone is that logical here 🤷

And what’s wrong with other nations taking position there that aren’t western? Sad you can no longer exclusively exploit African resources? Chinese relations with the global South is infinitely better than American/Britiish/french relations. I absolutely welcome china but not so much about Russia

Russian interest have little to do with western European interests any further then not allowing anyone else challenge their dominance. I want a free Ukraine, but after seeing how the west sees Palestine and how Ukraine was the largest money laundering front to Israel. Ontop if their refugees coming into Europe being some of the most extremely racist (which is fine but I find so hypocritical coming from the demonisation from real refugees from around the world who dont look like them)

Individual Ukrainians are decent most of the time but the Ukrainian govt can be wiped off the map for all I care

“it could be worse” the majority of the world would disagree the healthcare system is bad for America but your military corporation are bad for the planet. Israels little dog will supply them with all they need to bomb the middle east and have killed hundreds of thousands already. I promise you every genocide and massacre nowadays America is often complicit in

"Associated with jihadist terrorism " my friend im guessing you’re not the type to look further then whatever media company throws whatever slop at you. Further reading https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omagh_bombing https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_Street,_Pretoria_bombing https://www.fbi.gov/history/famous-cases/oklahoma-city-bombing

The west saw the Jews as the enemies(foreigners who’ve lived in Europe for so long yet discriminated against them so bad the term anti semitism is formed), then the Germans/Nazis (didn’t want a new empire outshining them), then comes the Soviets and now the arabs and chinese.

All of this to say terrorism is universal and those who link it to jihadis have a point they are trying to justify. In any western nation most of the terrorism is domestic and jihadi terrorisms biggest targets is other Muslims and those who defeated them were mostly Muslim including your bullshit western coalition.

Free reminder that Saudia Arabia is a good western ally BUT ALSO the literal exporter of “Islamist jihadist” as someone who knows the topic can tell you the real fear are sunni wahabism being spread all over the world by saudi arabia and other gulf nations for self interest.

I have a book for you my friend, it’s called humankind. While these wars are making me lose hope again, this relative cutting age history book (cutting age as in new research used in book rather than decade old and often outdated research ) that argues and shows the beauty of our species. I need to read it again, because I’ll be honest I’m losing hope again in humanity Humankind: A Hopeful History https://g.co/kgs/BrbMWsC

I hope things will change but do they? Did imperialism end? Did empires end? Did colonization really end? Slavery? No, it just changed forms, a shackle in new colours. Even if the west was the fall tomorrow the middle east became somehow the new dominant region, with the trauma they faced, would they be any better (hypothetically) I worry for our species as I feel like we’re bomb ourselves before we reach true mastery of this earth or use that mastery to enforce an even wider and more ruthless class system

Well with the bbc it’s essential state run propaganda machine so as long as Britain is on the wrong side of history it’ll stay like that, until 50 years down the line when greater Israel has been formed and many millions of dead are investigated and brought to light, BBC will have “internal” investigation and say something like “never again” it’s all bullshit

What? I’m sorry I’m not joining you on that basement dweeb back and forth about home instance 🤣🤣🤣 I’m using Lemmy as a Reddit alternative, and ml was just the choice I set on because I love an underdog number 2 instance. you should consider touching grass and getting a hobby, there’s bigger things in this world than this dude. Let it be a wake-up call before it’s too late

I’m sorry, is your source just a literal Wikipedia page? Are you serious? Bro get outta here 🤣

Nope, he was absolutely not a good man, but he kept order and stability that America and Israel to wipe that out.

I’m with you my friend, also I blame the Jewish people for Israel, it was a small sub sect that decided to make it happen in the violent matter it did (I’m personally not opposed to a Jewish state or secular state with Jews and whoever else are considered fully equal but this isn’t it). Now one nation has control over this extremely ancient and diverse religion which is sad to see. I want to see every nation respected rather than in one nation as a villain. Jews used to be in Afghanistan and the lands that encompass Pakistan and I wish they could go back and live with us again.

But honestly my friend it’s hard, it’s so hard seeing Zionist rhetoric and what Israel does. But the anti Zionists Jewish heroes are also what remind me were all human.

Also great seeing you here again, love running into you again If you haven’t already checked it out, check out illan paper a Israeli Jewish historian with more facts than most.

You’re 100% right but unlike any other religion, their very small and the majority have links to Israel and so are involved in the oppression (not all by choice, many many many great people like illan paper, norman Finkelstein and so many other) who do great work. But knowing all this, it makes me so upset and angry in the deepest part of my heart. Loudly I will support the Jewish people for they are humans are my brothers. I just don’t understand how they can see us with such vitriol when Palestinian historically didn’t do shit to them.

It’s crazy how they and the west propagandised for years about terrorism and Islamism when their biggest allies like use, Israel and Saudi Arabia are the biggest reasons the Muslim world is the way it is. Israel is a vile nation and while I believe the cycle of hatred needs to be breaked, if I was a Palestinian, I would want every single Zionist (not every Israeli) dead or gone