So you could go point for point for rebuttal but don’t and instead write 5 paragraphs of arm waving and whataboutism - “what about other old institutions” - I don’t care, we’re talking about the church.

The comment I replied to, you said “considerable force for good for centuries” now you want to limit it to 2025?

Go ahead and rebut how millions of lives were lost by actively sabotaging condom use and every other crime I mentioned.

I said they’re an overall negative, anti-human institution with a long well documented history of points to back it up.

I didn’t say “nothing good” has come out, beautiful flowers come out of excrement too.

You held on to the “dark ages” - but skipped over the destruction of knowledge that led to them and you wrote what you consider a rebuttal. So let’s talk about that:

They didn’t systematically keep fuck all.

Some scribes kept some books, the ones they could hide from the church. Most of the old writings of classical authors have been lost.

Between 500-1000AD the Church systematically destroyed classical libraries and learning centers. The burning of the Library of Alexandria and closure of philosophical schools eliminated centuries of knowledge in science, mathematics, and philosophy.

The Church controlled virtually all education, restricting literacy to clergy and limiting curriculum to religious doctrine.

Church prohibited dissection and medical research, leading to the loss of advanced Roman medical knowledge. Illness attributed to sin rather than natural causes, impeding medical advancement for centuries.

The Church burned books, destroyed manuscripts, and executed or exiled intellectuals who challenged religious orthodoxy.

It’s an obscene rewriting of history to thank the executioner for the rivers of blood that fed what came after.

I have no idea what you’re basing this comment on.

The sins of the catholic church are many and global and as large and unforgivable as their wealth and reach and history:

From the very beginning they were antithetical to plurality - soon as they got power first order of business was the destruction of classical Hellenistic learning centres.

Then crusades, inquisitions, colonialism and forced conversions, complicit in slavery, the witch trials, and interference with politics all over the world.

Opposition to human rights, anti-science (dark ages anyone), support for dictatorships, residential school systems targeting indigenous children, and the ongoing sexual abuse crisis with institutional cover-ups.

And their worst crime of the modern era: their response to the AIDS crisis in the 1980s.

Strict opposition to condom use (in fact actively lobbied against condom distribution and sex education) even as HIV/AIDS spread globally - particularly devastating in heavily Catholic regions like sub-Saharan Africa, the Philippines, and Latin America where the Church wielded significant influence over public health policy (as they still do). Millions of infections and deaths directly attributed to this crime against humanity.

But yes, “force for good”.

Probably simpler maths than that: the many hundreds of millions that have been flowing from the gulf states and the domestic oil industry can’t compete with musk’s contributions and his terrible polling closed the deal. More money, more better.

Wondering how long has this been cooking? A year or so ago musk started attacking signal for no discernible reason and recommending telegram instead.

Also “car” - can my local mechanic service it and give it a flying certificate? If not, it’s not a car.

More like a barely road-worthy airplane.

“Amiable” is not “very friendly” - complete nonsense.

Brill. One of us.

A fallacy matters if it’s central to proving the argument, otherwise it probably doesn’t. Eg Bringing up an anecdote, or a subjective experience as a way of illustrating a point could be said to be fallacious, but is not, if the argument is well supported enough that would stand without it.

I just had an argument where I ended my point with the words “this is a pure could have been:” and added a very likely scenario that may well could have come to pass it some events were different. Obviously it was speculation and not central to the previous argument, but in my estimation likely.

Then other person instead of responding to actual points took the last part and accused me of should’a, would’a, could’a.

Dude, yes! But not the point, also I was the one that pointed it out. The type of person that would explain to a comedian their own joke.

Most people here: Yes, I bought an advertiser’s device, hooked up in a million ways to that advertiser’s services, who’s well known for monitoring every aspect of the life of every person they can, but how dare they monitor this part?

Er, no we don’t. This is not Reddit.

Greece banned golden dawn as a criminal organisation and while a lot of members splintered into other parties it was overall a success in nearly removing all their influence as a political organisation from Greek politics - so, overall banning the fascist party, at least in one instance, worked.

PowerPDF or Kofax or whatever it’s called now was very close to parity if not exceed functionality for most office jobs.

I doubt it would be a problem for Australia where 30% of the population is foreign born.

Also, having been to a hospital a few times during the last year for friends and relatives I’m pretty sure more than 60% of doctors were not white.

And either way, even if a small portion of the population would choose to avoid the imported specialists, their mere presence in the marketplace and being used by the vast number of people that don’t care would lower the prices for everyone.

The real problem is the choke hold the doctors’ lobby has on the numbers of specialists.

As a contrast, Australia has 1440 specialists per million people while Greece has 2700 per million. No other profession in Australia is insulated from competition as much as doctors.

I bet you if you told any doctor in Europe they could earn 1/5th of what the doctors here are earning they’d fall over themselves to come to Australia.

We’re importing low wage workers like they’re going out of fashion let’s open the floodgates in Universities and hospitals and create and import specialists instead with the same tempo.

There’s something obscenely wrong here when we talk about costs of healthcare and no political party raises the central issue.

Yes, obviously there are vested interests as you mentioned that would like things as they were, the question is why would you think it’s in your interest to publicly declare it as a vote winning talking point?

Who on earth wants more people on the road?

Everyone should be against mandatory rto especially those that cannot work remotely and have to commute, such as labourers.

I’ve tried it with forgejo, the recommended implementation involves spinning a temporary vm to run the integration and deployment processes, quite resource heavy and slow comparatively to the vm I have that’s running forgejo.

I think there’s an option to have the forgejo server itself run the commands without spinning up vms, but it’s not recommended due to security considerations as they’re running with the same privileges as the server - not a concern if you are the only developer connecting to a private instance of forgejo but something to keep in mind.

Haha! Yes, but not sure how effective it would have been. I think parenting counts intent way above outcomes.

Yes. The argument is, raise the burden of proof: you are proving what my intent was, and what actions I took, but you should be proving negative market effects. Just because I said it, and I did it, doesn’t mean I succeeded. And if I didn’t there’s no reason to be broken up.

“I can’t believe the fucking idiot we helped put in charge is an actual fucking idiot surrounded by other fucking idiots. Wait, what does that say about me? Erm… probably nothing.”