All sucks sites are legitimate military targets by definition - regardless of whether they have anything to do with conventional weapons. MAD is not about ethnics. MAD is about MAD. No one will give a damn whether there were also some pee shooters in the missle silo the destruction of which caused Armageddon. You don’t need sympathy. This brings you one step closer to disaster too.

The Internationale begins playing in the background

Yes, but I’ve had it across multiple sites that play video, so I don’t think it’s youtube.

Just make sure you put in a stop-loss order

You keep telling the next investor it’ll be profitable soon. I believe the guy that came up with this scheme first went to prison or something, but afterwards we all collectively decided we were cool with it.

The man’s talking about class differences in general though. Pretty sure those predate us apes even knowing there were other different colored troops.

Either way it kind of feels like a bit of a chicken and egg discussion. Were we hierarchical animals first, then leveraged arbitrary and irrelevant traits to enforce that hierarchy, or vice versa.

To me it’s really simple. You adress class issues -> you adress “culture war” issues (those disproportionally impacted get disproportionately addressed, as they should be). You address “culture war” issues -> shitshow ensues.

I know what I’m gonna focus on.

No one is arguing any of the points above. But to quote the Wikipedia article:

While many developments failed to live up to initial lofty promises, most of them eventually became occupied when given enough time.[6][16]

Citation 16 is a Bloomberg article from 2 years ago in case you’re wondering.

Put yourself in my shoes, I can’t exactly propose edits to that statement based on a single youtube video of a ghost town existing.

Your conclusion ("How could they? ") does not follow from your premises, much as I agree with them.

I’m starting to believe this is a bad faith argument. Do you have anything addressing the specific point of ghost cities actually (not) being populated now?

For those that are too lazy to read:

• link 1: 39 buildings demolished for illegal construction
• link 2: 50 second clip of 7 buildings that were never finished being demolished (no context, other than the buildings being there for some years)
• link 3: luxury mansion development stalls due to missmangement/lack of funding, leaving people that paid for those homes without a property

Ok, now I get the link you’re trying to make, but it doesn’t fully adress my question.

The one thing that’s still leaving me prickly is simply saying Wikipedia is wrong because it’s editable by anyone. That’s like saying FOSS is insecure because it’s editable by anyone. Neither the conclusion nor the premise is correct in either case. There are hierarchies & access controls in both that often yield better results than the traditional alternative.

Wikipedia is a treasure, and while it is still vulnerable to brigading (far more so than FOSS), this is far from the norm (especially nowadays) and should be backed up with specific sources and rectified.

While I do agree with you that Wikipedia shouldn’t be cited directly due to this vulnerability, it acts as an excellent contextual citation aggregator, and quite frankly I’ve often found it more up-to-date and less biased than some of the crap that made it past the peer review process in my college days.

For instance, if what you’re saying is true (shortsightedness), people may over the years still populate those areas (the claim of the Wikipedia article is that a lot/most of the ghost cities did). If you have sources stating otherwise, please report the article for manipulation and include them there. If you don’t feel like it, post them here and I will do so, despite knowing absolutely nothing about Chinese ghost cities, because I believe this is important.

Please don’t dismiss such a shining example of human collective action so lightly. It’s one of the few things that makes me believe there’s still some good left in the world.

Not weighing in on either side of the discussion, but that’s a video that’s almost completely unrelated to the topic above.

It speaks to how overleveraged/poorly managed a lot of Chinese development was, leading to a borderline colapse of the construction industry, and largely leaves the subject of ghost cities unaddressed.

The trouble with that is that it shows a certain amount of respect

You know, you may have just changed my mind

This reads to me like a fairly leftist meme though, just more on the classical Marxist side.

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Not missing it, just not addressing it. The topic wasn’t of particular interest from that angle. Not to me anyway.

It’s not that I dislike the word liberated, it’s that it’s completely inaccurate in this case, and those kinds of inaccuracies do have consequences, however slight at first.

Defeated is a good word. Invaded is another. Liberated isn’t.

Let’s get one thing straight, Germany was not liberated, it was defeated.

Of course we can say not all… But that’s a sociological tautology.

It’s exactly this kind of west = good silent premise that’s making us miss what’s beginning to brew over there again now that things are getting tough. Just like it did last time.

I’m not saying Germans are evil, but we need to be careful with this kind of subtle revisionism. I suspect you didn’t even say it intentionally - it’s just a phrase that’s often used around you, and that’s what makes it doubly dangerous.

Nothing against you man, I’m just a tad disenchanted with the current state of things is all.

Thank you for the chuckle kind stranger

I really had hoped for something better on the fediverse, but I am noticing a move in that direction. At the same time, I’ve had some rather heartwarming interactions here. I’m still holding out hope…

I tried to be as charitable as I could here, I really did. Clearly you don’t share the same approach to life. That’s alright, it typically passes after college.

I don’t know what to tell you other than I spent my entire adult life in Asia, having left Europe in large part because I didn’t feel welcome there due to a mixture of my skin color and my ethnicity. I stopped following political developments there ages ago, and this is the first time I heard this woman’s name.

I also happen to be heavily left leaning, and I am sick of people I politically align with, who are too busy being professionally outraged to get anything done. Change hearts and minds; stop looking for “snapplause” moments. Those people already agree with you. You’ve done nothing, won nothing, but a dopamine shot.

…I suspect the bits of personal information above matter to you for some reason, and that makes me profoundly sad. I wish you the best, and I hope that one day your heart opens just a crack more.

And in case the passive-aggressive - and really childish - “lol, uh huh” was meant to imply I was somehow covertly politically aligned with her; I’m both on the wrong continent and on the wrong side of the political spectrum for that.

Please consider shaking this bad-faith miscaracterization/so-you’re-saying quote + snarky comment 1-2 combo. It’s not very helpful to anyone - yourself in particular - thought it might feel like it.