The Trump campaign may have violated United State copyright law by selling merchandise featuring the former president’s mugshot, legal experts have warned.

  • @kvasir476@lemmy.world
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    4910 months ago

    You hate to defend Trump, but that’s absolutely fucked. As far as I know you can’t refuse a mugshot, so you’re essentially compelled to release the rights to your likeness if you’re charged with a crime. I could see the logic if you’re convicted (under the 13th, which is still fucked), but that’s crazy before a trial/guilty verdict.


    Anyway, just a layman’s take. Would love to hear what an actual lawyer has to say.

    • @doggle@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      4610 months ago

      People generally don’t have rights to photos of them regardless of whether they consented to having them taken. That’s, like, the whole thing with paparazzi.

      US copyright law is unsalvageably fucked

      • @kvasir476@lemmy.world
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        1310 months ago

        IMO the difference between this and paparazzi is that you aren’t legally compelled to allow the paparazzi to take photos of you. If paparazzi gets the photos then they’re theirs, but you can at least try to prevent them from taking them.


        US copyright law is unsalvageably fucked

        Yes

    • @antonim@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      2510 months ago

      “You’re prohibited from reproducing it, making a derivative work of it, distributing it without authorization, or that is to say distributing anything that isn’t the one copy you already lawfully have, and various other things. Making a public display of it, making a public performance of it, which opens up all kinds of fascinating possibilities here.”

      Am I crazy or does this mean every single newspaper that has reproduced the photo (i.e. probably the majority of political newspapers in the entire world) should have asked Fulton county Sheriff’s Office for permission to do it?

      • @Treczoks@lemm.ee
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        910 months ago

        First of all, there is the fair use thing, and second, they probably have, and most likely there is even a clause in the Sheriff’s Office’ standard disclaimer that press use is OK.

    • @Treczoks@lemm.ee
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      910 months ago

      The copyright is not with the person on the photo, it is with the photographer. Which in this case is the police department.

      The only rights that Trump had were the rights on his own picture. Which is hard to control as a celebrity (public interest and such), and which he basically waived as he had those merch sold himself.

      • @kvasir476@lemmy.world
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        410 months ago

        I get that the copyright is traditionally held by the photographer and not the subject. I guess the issue I have with it is how Trump (or anyone charged with a crime) is legally compelled to allow it to be created.

        Also, if we assume Fulton County Jail owns the copyright, could they sell mugshot merch? If yes, that’s horrifically dystopian. If no, are they entitled to claw back any money made from the sale of mugshot merch?

        Personally, I would like to live in the world where jails can’t profit off the mugshots of their inmates.

        • @Madison420@lemmy.world
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          310 months ago

          It’s public record anyone can use it so long as they don’t do so for profit. Ie. He can use the mugshot all he wants he just can’t make an profit from it.

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          Also, if we assume Fulton County Jail owns the copyright, could they sell mugshot merch? If yes, that’s horrifically dystopian. If no, are they entitled to claw back any money made from the sale of mugshot merch?

          They could sell mugshot merch from the copyright perspective, but there would be a load of other issues that would prevent them from doing so.

          But technically, they could sue whoever is responsible for selling them and could claw back profits and damages, as this was undeniably copyright infringement for large-scale commercial gain. Look at this: Up to five years and up to 250k per offense. And that’s only the punishment. The damages are between 750 and 30k, 150k if it was “willful”. Plus all the usual stuff like paying lawyers and courts. The Sheriff’s Office down there could buy their own donut factory from the proceedings…

      • Riskable
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        110 months ago

        When you run for office (of any kind) you become a “public figure” and as a result the rights to your likeness are considerably diminished. If you win your rights to control how your likeness is used are even further diminished. Furthermore, if you run for a Federal office and get elected your rights are even more diminished.

        Then there’s an even lower level where you basically lose all rights to control your likeness: When you become President. Presidents are special from a likeness perspective because as long as they live they are, in fact, President or former President and as such cannot make claim whatsoever that their likeness is copyrighted because while they were in office their likeness became public domain (all works of the US government are public domain unless classified or given special exception).

        So the day the White House updated it’s website with an image of Trump any copyright claim to his likeness went out the window.

    • @TenderfootGungi@lemmy.world
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      Whomever takes a picture owns the copyright. If you hand your camera to a stranger to take a family photo, legally that stranger owns the copyright on your family photo. In this case the county or county employee owns the copyright. And they should be suing anyone profiting from its use.

      Edit: consent is irrelevant. That is a totally separate privacy issue.