Donald Trump and 18 others are indicted on counts that include racketeering, perjury and theft.

cross-posted from: https://sh.itjust.works/post/2916091

Former US President Donald Trump has been charged with attempting to overturn his 2020 election loss in the state of Georgia.

He and 18 others have been indicted on counts that include racketeering in a 41-charge document issued by a Fulton County grand jury.

The indictment marks the fourth time Mr Trump has been criminally charged this year.

He has denied the accusations in all cases.

Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis launched an investigation in February 2021 into allegations of election meddling against Mr Trump and his associates.

The list of defendants indicted late on Monday night includes former Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani, former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows, former White House lawyer John Eastman and a former justice department official, Jeffrey Clark.

The indictment says the alleged co-conspirators “knowingly and willfully joined a conspiracy to unlawfully change the outcome of the election in favor of Trump”.

The charge sheet also refers to the defendants as a “criminal organization”, accusing them of a number of crimes, including:

False statements and writings
Impersonating a public officer
Forgery
Filing false documents
Influencing witnesses
Computer trespass
Conspiracy to defraud the state
Theft and perjury.

The most serious charge, violating the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (Rico) Act, is punishable by a maximum of 20 years in prison.

The act - designed to help take down organised criminal syndicates like the mafia - helps prosecutors connect the dots between underlings who broke laws and those who gave them marching orders.

  • justdoit@lemm.eeEnglish
    67·
    1 year ago

    This is an obvious exaggeration, but I can’t help but feel like we’re witnessing a death match between American democracy and the Republican Party.

    • CaptDust@sh.itjust.works
      223·
      1 year ago

      Nah, just the justice system processing another wanna be gangster that went on a crime spree. everything happening right now, across the board, is a direct consequence of his decisions and actions. Republicans choose to foolishly hitch themselves to him, personally.

        • Meowoem@sh.itjust.works
          103·
          1 year ago

          Part of that is because they have legal teams expertly guiding them in skirting the law and not leaving evidence of crimes, trump’s top minds hold press conferences at landscaping companies because they have the same name as prestigious hotel chains.

        • Arghblarg@lemmy.ca
          31·
          1 year ago

          Perhaps Drumpf’s usefulness has been deemed to be ended, by those vastly more wealthy and powerful than he.

        • EtnaAtsume@lemmy.ml
          2·
          1 year ago

          Slight correction: It is well known for doing nothing to the rich. A distinction as subtle as it is important…and telling.

          I don’t intend to be a negative Nancy about it all but I expect everything will fall through some crack or slip through some loophole or…just get looked away from, in the end. It’s a pattern I’ve seen again and again with this man.

    • ours@lemmy.filmEnglish
      10·
      1 year ago

      It’s not a death match but it’s going to be a significant threshold where democracy gets further eroded or protected. Hopefully, it could be the end of Trump as a politician but who knows?

  • eestileib@sh.itjust.works
    661·
    1 year ago

    Those Grand Jurors put their own lives and those of their loved ones in the crosshairs of maga (their names are public in the indictment).

    Huge respect to them, they put their asses on the line for this, and it must have been a little frightening thinking about the harassment coming their way.

    👏🏻

    • jscummy@sh.itjust.works
      11·
      1 year ago

      Now any person that orchestrates a criminal conspiracy to undermine democracy and install themselves as President could get charged. Is that really the America we want?

  • Varyk@sh.itjust.works
    432·
    1 year ago

    Wait, I don’t get it, isn’t it confirmed that Trump tried to overturn the Georgia election by calling up the Georgia Secretary of State on the phone and asking him to find votes?

    Can you plead not guilty to stabbing a guy if a bunch of people watch you stab that guy?

    How does the presumption of innocence legally survive when it’s recorded and confirmed that you are guilty?

    • Unaware7013@kbin.social
      55·
      1 year ago

      You can plead ‘not guilty’ even if you were arrested holding the bloody knife, its just not going to do you much good.

      As for the presumption of innocence, as DA Willis put it in her statement this evening, an indictment is just a series of allegations, its up to the prosecutor and team to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. Going back to the knife analogy, you’re going into the case where you’re legally presumed innocent, but the bloody knife/witnesses will show that you stabbed that guy.

      • Aesthesiaphilia@kbin.social
        20·
        1 year ago

        Everyone pleads “not guilty” the first go around, even clearly guilty people, even people who plan to plead guilty.

        You can always change a “not guilty” plea to “guilty” (ie, plea deal, etc). It gives your lawyers more time to get a handle on the case, get paperwork together, work with the prosecutors, etc.

      • Varyk@sh.itjust.works
        7·
        1 year ago

        Ah, thank you, this is the answer I was looking for. Appreciate it.

        Very concise and specific.

        So they only way to forfeit the person of innocence is by confessing to the alleged crime?

        • TurtleJoe@lemmy.world
          6·
          1 year ago

          You could confess to the police, and then still plead not guilty. As others have said, you can later change your plea if you and your lawyer decide that’s the best course of action.

    • Brokkr@lemmy.world
      22·
      1 year ago

      The presumption of innocence is really important because it reduces the chance for abusing the prosecutorial process (of course that does still happen). Prosecutors must show beyond a reasonable doubt that a person is guilty. That’s a high bar to clear, but it gets easier when the defendant builds you a staircase.

      Every defendant deserves the right to plead guilty, even this criminal.

      • Varyk@sh.itjust.works
        2·
        1 year ago

        That’s what I mean by “presumption of innocence”, yes.

        Does the presumption of innocence still apply even if the crime has already been confirmed to have happened?

        If someone steals a candy bar right in front of a clerk on camera and gets arrested and for some reason the case goes to trial, can they still plead not guilty?

        Even though that crinee is confirmed to have been perpetrated by that person?

        What are they circumstances under which the presumption of innocence is waived or forfeited?

        • Aesthesiaphilia@kbin.social
          13·
          1 year ago

          Does the presumption of innocence still apply even if the crime has already been confirmed to have happened?

          Yes. The crime (and the criminal) legally hasn’t been “confirmed”. The point of a trial is to “confirm” it.

          For example, there’s probably at least 50 million people who believe no crime occurred.

          They’re WRONG, of course, but the point of the trial is to prove them wrong.

          • Varyk@sh.itjust.works
            1·
            1 year ago

            Got it now, thanks.

            I had it in my head that there was some way to forfeit that presumption of innocence, but couldn’t imagine what that way was.

            But apparently there is not. Thanks

      • Taako_Tuesday@lemmy.ca
        13·
        1 year ago

        I think you mean plead innocent. I mean everyone deserves both, but in this case there’s no doubt trump’s got the right to plead guilty

        • Aesthesiaphilia@kbin.social
          6·
          1 year ago

          There’s no such thing as pleading innocent. The court will either find you guilty or not guilty. The court will not, and in fact cannot, find you innocent. Only not guilty. Or in most cases, “not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt”.

    • BitingChaos@lemmy.worldEnglish
      21·
      1 year ago

      Well, you see, first amendment and all that.

      Trump just happened to be recorded while saying out loud some random thoughts he happened to have at that particular moment.

      He wasn’t telling anyone to do anything, and his words were not targeted to anyone in particular.

      Just because he happened to be on the phone with someone is completely coincidental and totally unrelated.

      So, any attempt to charge Trump with a crime would mean that you are ONLY criminalizing THOUGHTS and SPEECH.

      Checkmate.

      This is basically the explanation Trump used in regards to the recent threat he made on Truth Social about going after anyone that goes after him.

      • CaptDust@sh.itjust.works
        91·
        1 year ago

        Lol there’s so much more than the one call, they got literally months of records in evidence. Could read it, or just watch the DA conference for a summary

    • zigmus64@lemmy.worldEnglish
      10·
      1 year ago

      Because that’s the way it is man…

      I can live-stream myself performing a public execution in front of a crowded stadium full of people, and plead not-guilty. And the presumption of innocence before the court means I can do that as much as I want regardless how obviously guilty I may be.

      And like it or not, that’s better than the alternative. A presumption of guilt before the court opens oneself to much more easily be wrongfully imprisoned for crimes you didn’t commit. Not accounting for obvious injustices that have occurred due to shortcomings and corruption in the system, these initial principals give us the best shot at having a system that’s less likely to fuck us than not.

    • Unaware7013@kbin.social
      20·
      1 year ago

      I think its that the governor can’t pardon him, Georgia has a pardon board that would be able to pardon him if they so chose.

      • athos77@kbin.social
        46·
        1 year ago

        Yeah, but the really cool thing (in this particular case, not in general) about Georgia’s pardon regulations are:

        • You must have completed all sentence(s) at least five (5) years prior to applying.

        • You must have lived a law-abiding life during the five (5) years prior to applying.

        • You cannot have any pending charges.

        • All fines must be paid in full.

        I can see Trump having problems with every single one of requirements, plus he can’t even apply until five years after he’s served his sentence.

    • Retro@lemmy.worldEnglish
      9·
      1 year ago

      He could not be federally pardoned, no. The State of Georgia can also pardon individuals of state crimes, but this requires the applicant has paid all fines amongst other requirements like being a law abusing citizen for over five years after serving their sentence. The governor cannot pardon.