Slaps the hood of Baldur’s Gate 3 this bad boy can fit so many wildly exceeded expectations for a complete AAA-title at launch in 2023
Wasn’t it also early access? At least some part of it? Or am I remembering the wrong game.
I’m confused why people are upset at early access. It can be done badly to sell a game that isn’t finished for full price.
But Larian has always done early access this way: first act for testing. And it works great.
It was early access for like 3 years. Which allowed them to release a fully finished game, or the closest we had from that state since no one remembers when actually.
The first of three acts was in early access for nearly 3 years
There’s a reason they changed the name from expansion to DLC.
Thanks Bethesda
Don’t you know? This kind of quality is impossible for poor little AAA studios to keep up! We really should just settle for tech demos. :(
I live, breathe, and sleep video games but this is a problem we made for ourselves. You don’t have to buy the latest and greatest games from million dollar companies. Heck, you don’t have to buy any games at all. Stop buying crap and they’ll stop making as much of it. Go play something else or, and I say this as someone who’s currently designing homebrew for a TTRPG in another tab, go touch some grass.
Damn straight, the amount of times I’ve heard “It’s probably gonna be shit, oh well. Still gonna pre order cause of this [dogshit] skin for the gun that won’t be meta for longer than a week cause it’s so busted.”
I saw this coming back in 2013 and have been trying to convince people that it’s going to be a problem and get worse as time goes on.
Well LOOK AT ME NOW, WENDELL!!!
That’s why i don’t game anymore, well that and because I keep getting fucked by young people in multiplayer games
Oh, I still game, but mostly older games and GotY editions. And Indies.
AAA titles are dead for me, I want to buy a full game, with no in-game store, no 10ish DLCs available, no always on fuckery etc.
And if there are 1 or 2 huge expansions (like in Witcher 3) I have no problem with that. I bought expansions in the past, that’s fine.
I used to be fine with all the shit practices you mentioned since I just wanted to play the games, but then I played Baldurs Gate 3 and remembered how gaming used to be.
I don’t think I’ll continue to buy DLC-ridden, half-finished and sometimes even outright broken games. Looking at you Diablo 4…
In that sense the publishers were rightfully afraid of the game. I guess it reminded a lot of us what we lost over the years.
From Soft is the light in the darkness.
Turns out that a creative director that unapologetically makes exactly the game that they wanted to make is a winning formula.
Single player and coop in where it’s at.
PvP games ain’t fun if the majority of the base doesn’t have work to go to.
Only single player game i enjoyed in the last 10 years was the Witcher 3, i couldn’t even finish GTA V lol.
I have always been a multiplayer gamer myself, but the state of most games right now (since few years ago) is absolutely disgusting, they’re just made for you to spend points on mtx thanks to skill based matchmaking and other crap, it’s really undercover pay2win unless you are bottom/top 1%.
I’m just glad i enjoyed every game i could as a child and enjoyed the competitive scene of many FPS when it wasn’t undercover pay2win.
Now it’s time for 16yo guys on adderall to win and earn millions on twitch
ayo what games you playin
None
Fuck unfinished titles that are priced at almost a hundred at launch; I’d rather wait a year or two and buy the same thing for 15 EUR.
Edit: and yes, if you buy those at launch, you are part of the problem.
True story. Video games have gotten so expensive that I gave up FPS’s because the virtual bullets are starting to cost more than the real ones.
Is CoD making you pay for ammo packs now?
Lol, not yet. Hopefully, Activision isn’t watching this thread because that’s definitely something they’d try.🙃
Blockchain bullets. Every bullet is on a blockchain so you’ll know who you put your hard earned money into.
Lol, I could actually own my bullets!!! Or just a jpg and a receipt. 😉
Ahh, well that’s a bit of a relief. Just to give you a chuckle, due to If The Emperor had a Text to Speech, that game’s name will forever be “Cawl o Doodie” to me
Gamepass ultimate and you have no problems
I was just looking at that. The only thing I don’t like is that you can’t purchase a yearly sub.
You can though
same. I have over a thousand games on my steam account and a humble bundle subscription.
I can wait years to pick up the all DLC included gold game of the year edition for 5 bucks on sale.
only time i ever get games on release anymore is if a friend gifts it to me, or if it comes as part of a bundle with new hardware (Like how I got Starfield with my new GPU)
Why buy?
I honestly expected a user from db0 To with this reply.
What is db0?
>Horse Armor DLC
That’s what started it all.
Now you can preorder thier newest game and have it preload the entire game two weeks before you can play it! Because it you’re dumb enough to preorder it you’re probably dumb enough to not want your storage space too.Todd Howard is a greedy fuck.
You can choose not to preload the game, can’t you? So it’s up to the individual. Besides, why wouldn’t you want to preload the game so when it’s released you can just hop in? I don’t get your angry reasoning here. If you’re gonna play the game then the storage is gonna be occupied either way. Lol
Yes. Pre loading is a huge benefit for people with low bandwidth Internet. The usage of storage space is a weird complaint.
After BG3 released:
Noooo! This would put new expectations on video games!!!
All those hit pieces that were coming out as BG3 was launching were so transparent. “Shit one company is actually putting in effort, make it seem bad somehow”
My unpopular opinion is that DLC is not, in and of itself, bad. If you don’t want it, don’t buy it! If you do want it - great, no problem! In a world without DLC, you either have to buy the whole game, or not. If you tried it and didn’t like it, you have wasted the whole price of the game. Whereas in a DLC system, you’ve spent the price of the base game, but that’s effectively just a fraction of the total game price. You risked less.
What is a problem - and what I think most people who think they’re mad about DLC are actually mad about - is charging a price that isn’t commensurate with the amount of content you get. If a full game is “worth” $60, and it’s split up into a $20 base game and 4 $10 DLCs - great, everyone is (or, should be!) happy. But if the publisher charges $60 for $20-worth of base game and then charges for DLC on top, you should be pissed - but you should still be pissed about that mispricing even if the DLC didn’t exist. Yes, DLC is the reason why that pricing strategy is adopted - but that doesn’t mean that DLC itself is inherently bad. There are possible implementations that are not flawed.
I think it makes no sense for a publisher to split up a game and get less money upfront, unless they want you to pay more for all the pieces than one complete game would have cost you. Therefore DLCs are almost always bad for consumers. The only exception are full scale expansions, because they are basically full games themselves. If they want to let people get a taste before buying then they should offer a free demo, or full refund within a certain time window.
Cosmetics are good examples as well, as a way to express thanks if you feel you’ve gotten your money’s worth. It’s just that it’s not even about that anymore. For the rest I agree 100%
This also means that you can’t get them without spending an absurd amount of money for what you’re getting, so it’s just as bad imo. If you wanna say thanks to the devs then send them some money directly, or spread the word about how great their game is.
Most AAA base games cost ~60 dollars for the base game and the DLCs add on top of that.
I’m not gonna be mad about the price, a game is cheap in terms of hours entertained compared to a good movie which costs about 10 dollars for about 2 hours of entertainment.
The issue is not the price. The DLCs is also not inherently bad, like you said. For instance, Borderlands 2 is known for having an excellent base game and an exceptional bunch of DLCs, one which became so loved and popular that it became its own spin off game (Tiny Tina’s Wonderlands).
The issue is that companies use DLCs as an excuse to charge money for small amounts of content. They make smaller games, still charge full price, then make DLCs that are relatively small and charge a lot for them.
Using the above example, Tiny Tina’s Wonderlands have DLCs that cost 10 dollars and feature a single dungeon (that takes ~20 minutes to complete) with a boss that was an enemy in the base game which got enlarged slightly and given more damage and HP. The community understandably was pissed - but they kept buying every single DLC they pumped out, which reinforced the behavior.
They make smaller games, still charge full prices, then make DLCs that are relatively small and chare a lot for them.
So you agree with me, then, that the problem is publishers charging a disproportionate price for the amount of content being purchased?
Absolutely.
I also agreed that DLCs are not the problem, it’s how they’re used to pump more money from people who are passionate about their games.
This is one big reason why I support indie titles and piracy more than ever. The whole “we can’t be financially bothered to put out a functional title on launch, but our shop with 60 DLC skins each coating $400 each works perfectly” mentality has driven me far away from ever paying for triple AAA titles again and is also why I will never play a remaster of any game outside of the Spyro Reignited Trilogy.
If you cannot be arsed to put out a functional title on launch, maybe you should be retired and sent to the ranch.
I remember the launch of mass effect 3 in 2012, when EA and Bioware removed all the prothean companion content (very relevant to the story) from the base game and sold it as 10€ day 1 DLC. They even boasted about “releasing a game for 80€” back then IIRC.
From what I remember, some of the content was already on the disk.
To each their preferences, if people want to play “AAA” games or w/e that’s their choices. If you’re sick of the way they sell though I suggest trying something else, there are plenty of very good games out there that don’t shamelessly take their customers for piggy banks.
I think most of us are sick of others buying shit AAA games and then complaining about the expense of DLC and the bugs and what not. So I would modify what you said to be if you want to, go ahead, but stop complaining about the shit you should have expected.
stop!.. this hurts too much.
I miss expansions. The command & conquer expansions were always better than the base game by far.
Last true expansion I remember is Blood and Wine from 2016.
Factorio will get a old-school expansion in the future. The base game is very complete already, so they really have to think of something else that really expands on the current gameplay , but they’ve been working on it since the release of the main game so it will be good.
I am so hyped for that. My chores and sleep schedule are not
Same! Even though not much is known yet, these developers have their priorities right to deliver a finished game.
@AlexWIWA@lemmy.ml hello there! new fff just dropped (or yesterday to be specific)
Thank you :)
Things sure have changed since the old school shareware days with classics like Wolfenstein, Duke Nukem, Doom, etc.
And Captain Keen!
*Commander Keen
Sorry, my bad. It was 30 years ago and I played it on a 3.5 floppy disk.