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    I love organic maps, sometimes I practice navigation by turning location off and using a compass with the downloaded map on my phone.

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    Everyone who is censored, everyone who abuses their mod powers; it just creates an opportunity for people to pick up the slack and create better communities.

    You only have yourselves to blame, dickhead mods.

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    why is Organic Street Maps better than the other ones, that claim to be Open Street Maps derived?

    bandwidth is not disposable ya’ll.

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            Organic Maps is definitely easier to use, especially for new users but OsmAnd is more powerful. I have both and they’re awesome.

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              I wish there was some way to share the assets since they use the same base data. I use osmand because I find it better for hiking and route planning to send to my watch, but would use organic as well if I I didn’t need to keep two copies of the maps.

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                Yeah I know what you mean. Map downloads especially can take up a lot of space/take a lot of mobile data to download. I tried to copy them across manually once but it didn’t work.

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                  Yeah it seems like they use different “chunks” so I don’t think it would be cross compatible.

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        that’s enough for me, except are the other ones not good?

        downloading maps for offline – you nuts? how does anyone profit from the clicks?

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            that is an extra plus feature i always wanted from a “smart” phone - offline maps. i spent money on some of those apps back when it was kicking off and a very few of them were actually helpful, like showing me actual USGS topo maps.

            would not have helped me that much for survival on my Hawaiian big island fuckabout, because even the big island is not big enough to get truly lost. i tried!

            eventually I went downhill on the volcano towards the ocean for a day or two until cell reception and called my girlfriend and told her I hit my head pretty hard and she should come get me.

            still the maps would have been super interesting. also, Red River Gorge, and all the southwestern N. America desert.

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      One of their main contributors are in US sanctioned regions (Russia) so they can’t access it.

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          Russia is being sanctioned because of its aggressive war against Ukraine.

          Microsoft aren’t the bad guys for enforcing international sanctions.

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            So what about the organic map users. They should ban the contributor if they need to ban it soo bad.

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              that’s practically impossible. TOR is alive and well, as if any rando in any country sanctioned by the u.s. cares.

              of course they could Great China Firewall the shit out of everything and still fail.

              but we’re on the downward spiral, so be gleeful!

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            So a person that happens to be iving in a sanctioned country, makes them banned? Bullshit

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              Yes. That’s how sanctions work.

              Part of the intention is to pressure citizens of the country for violating international law so they exert pressure on their governments to stop.

              Another part is to remove the use of tooling to support the sanctioned nation.

              Russia could stop the war and problem is solved. This isn’t Microsoft being the bad guy, this is Microsoft following international law.

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                Does that work?

                Is it right to tell random people “hey you, it’s your job to break local laws and topple your dictator, we could invade you with actual trained military people but that would be inconvenient for us”?

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                  “Is it right?” Are you kidding? Yes, it’s obviously a better alternative than invading another country and killing people. It’s one of the ways we have learned, as a species, to avoid massive wars and losses of life. If you’re advocating for war as an alternative then you should fuck off and die so you don’t get other people killed in the process.

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                  Is a strictly enforced economic sanction better than an all out regime change invasion/occupation of another sovereign country that costs the lives of millions… we’ll have to get back to you on that one.

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                  No, it’s not right.

                  People on these forums have been conditioned to see the world through their fairytale-lens and nothing else, though.

                  A part of oppression is removing people’s ability to fight back. Anyone who holds the average Russian responsible for the war is just playing into the hands of the cabal. It’s like they never heard of Navalny, or any other Russian dissenters.

                  These people need our help. We shouldn’t victim-blame them and say they need to topple a dictator all on their own.

                  Same goes for North Korea.

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              yes, that is the purpose of sanction. to target the lowest rung of society for supporting and promoting the invasion of Ukraine.

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              I assume most Russian GitHub users use a VPN to avoid it. He has chosen not to in order to make a point.

              The real worry is what happens when the US declares sanctions on random allies in their stupid “trade war”…

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                Once the US starts saying that nobody who trades with the US can deal with Canada, Denmark, Mexico, etc… then it starts to get interesting.

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                  Or if the US fucks up enough for the rest of the world to put a UNO reverse card on the US. If China and the EU do that, the US is fucked within a few months. A “you can’t trade with either of these markets when you trade with the US” would be interesting.

                  And tbh, from what I gather it’s absolutely a option that is being discussed in diplomatic circles. The main reason it’s not on the table is the huge amount of debts the USA has in China. And the EU will use it as a backup arrow for “further escalation”. Maybe someone should tell Trump who actually delivers the machines for the factories he wants to “bring back”. Hint: It’s not the US.

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              Yes,you understand how sanctions work.

              A person living in a sanctioned country can also no longer buy certain things, travel to certain countries or use certain services. You couldn’t buy a Boeing Plane during WW2 in Germany as well…

              And considering that Russia is waging a fucking genocidal war and a hybrid war in Europe and a majority (according to relatively independent statistics) of the population stil supports that shit and has done so for a long time (when they still could have changed course) it’s god damn right these sanctions exist.

              BTW: Cuba is being sanctioned by the US for simply nationalising US held companies (Fidel Castro wasn’t that much of a communist in the beginning) since 1960 and basically none gave or gives a rats ass.

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                a majority (according to relatively independent statistics) of the population stil supports that shit and has done so for a long time

                Most Russians are afraid to talk about politics at all. Their responses when questioned are either “I agree with what the government is doing” or “I don’t talk politics.”

                We should be strengthening our ties with these oppressed people in order to help them, and help Ukraine as a result. Instead we’re doing the “average intelligence” play of furthering their oppression while funneling money to the MIC.

                This war has been a great example of how many useful idiots are around us.

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            when you’re a corporation with billions of dollars and US politicians cost millions on the high end, you can choose to do whatever you want.

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              “Microsoft continues to work with Russians despite sanctions due to ongoing war in Ukraine” is probably not a headline they want to see.

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                Of course not, but can you say that it’s not convenient for them to stiffle foss alternatives to microsoft/apple/google software? many open source projects are at least partially made by russian developers.

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                true, but let’s not pretend that they were without agency in this decision and in decisions leading up to the current context.

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                  When the big tech guys showed up to the inauguration and sat in the front row to pay tribute it was such a clear example of how capital always yields to authoritarians.

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      they were blocked for supporting russia invasion of Ukraine.

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        Source?

        I mean the owners of this “Estonian” company are Russian and Belarussian (company ownership is public record here in Estonia and foreigners can easily start companies), so I wouldn’t be surprised, but I also hate how easily unsubstantiated claims spread on the Internet.

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    There is some serious crapitalist hate for organic maps. I never heard of it util is was taken off the play store for a bit. I side loaded it that day.

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      Organic Maps is not at feature parity with paid options but it is pretty damn good for FOSS. I use it almost daily for driving around city/suburban Australia and it very rarely gives me bad directions - certainly no more than the paid option i previously used (Sygic).

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        Its also a really great base project to build on top of. The routing system is a plug in library which can be easily replaced. That means if someone wants to build something that collects and utilizes live data for traffic/construction avoidance they can totally do that. Adding new map layers is also a big one that they made sure is going to be easy to do.

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          Has anyone actually created a traffic plugin yet? This is one of the main reasons I use Magic Earth still. I regularly bounce between that, Organic, and OsmAnd. They all have slightly different features.

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            Has anyone actually created a traffic plugin yet?

            The organic team doesnt wanna deal with collecting user data so they wont do it. Getting live location data from millions of people basically requires using and feeding into google services and thats a no go.

            Ofcourse someone else could do it, but thats just a waste of time, if google can cut you off from their API at any point.

            Even if you start your own project, no matter what you do, there will always have to be some company that collects all the data. That company no matter how cool and FOSS will eventually be forced to cooperate with law enforcement and then you are back to what we have now with google.

            Location data is just too sensitive and impossible to anonymize properly.

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              But isn’t there a possibility to fetch data from official websites (like https://stau.info/ in Germany) around your place? It won’t be as good as google, but better than nothing.

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                As long as it only pulls data and doesnt share any its not as bad. But each of these local services most likely use different APIs and formats, so implementing it wont be so easy. For just large highways its realistic imo, but if you want data for inside cities it becomes impossible.

                If the database of traffic info become so large that it’s impossible to download it all at once it means you have to selectively download data for your location/route which makes it possible to infer user location again.

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      It works well, and I’m a huge fan and contributor to Open Street Maps (which it’s bassed on). But it doesn’t do traffic, which is unfortunately wha I need from my navigation apps 99% of the time.

      If they had a paid option to cover the costs of using TomTom’s traffic API, I’d make the switch.

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        But it is one of the best when it comes to cycling or walking. I’ve been using it for years now.

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      Why would it get removed? Can’t have any competition for Google Maps or what? Well, it won’t get removed on F-droid

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    Anyone have the story behind this? Fuck Microsoft and all that, but Github has historically been pretty good when it comes to not banning people for stupid reasons. Usually, it’s a DMCA thing or a valid security threat.

    Recently, there was some controversy about closed source code powering a component of the project (https://github.com/orgs/organicmaps/discussions/9837) but I didn’t keep up with that. Could this ban be related to that?

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    We need something like Forgejo, but decentralized and federated, like Lemmy. I don’t want to create a new account for every Forgejo instance, just to be able to report a bug…

    Edit: Added “and federated”

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      Forgejo is in fact working on being decentralized, just like the underlying git structure is. There are some first federation things in there, but the full implementation is still pretty far out.

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        Git is decentralized itself… You don’t even need forgejo to host your changes

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      Git is already decentralized, nothing is stopping you from adding multiple remotes to your repo.

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      You know, git initially was that kind of thing where people would send diff commits on mailing lists. Git is perfectly decentralized already. And there’s no need for federation.

      Forgejo is already decentralized too. You could host your own instance right now, if you’d want.

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      if you are looking for decentralised vcs you can try radicle, I tried a while ago pretty good. FYI Forgejo supports mastodon login

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        FYI Forgejo supports mastodon login

        That’s interesting. Did not even know, Mastodon supported doing something like this…

        There is still a difference: There is no profile in the end. I might create 2 bug reports, bit they won’t be linked to each other.

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      Have you heard of … Git?

      :-)

      Edit: I was jesting, got interesting responses!

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        There is no command git issue create [hostname] [title] [description] and if there was such a command, it’d require authentication on the specific instance to prevent spam.

        You still need to create an account on each Forgejo instance to report a bug there…

        And even, if you commit code or make a pull request… Git might be decentralized (you can develop with your friend independently from each other and merge it), but try to commit code to a GitHub project, GitLab instance or Forgejo instance without having an account there to authenticate yourself… It won’t work.

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            I’m not sure what you are trying to say.

            My point was from the beginning that I don’t want to create 2 accounts when I report a bug a bug on Forgejo instance 1 and on instance 2.

            The suggestion whether I have heard about git does not solve anything about that…

            Some one else here mentioned that it’s possible to login with Mastodon on each of the instance, which is the correct direction (allows to report a bug on both instances via an external account). Disadvantage is still: My 2 bug reports are not linked to each other, because there is no shared Forgejo profile, which would actually require something like federation.

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      I think that’s bad (for my personal use) because if I accidentally commit a secret key, how do I claw it back? Basically, how would I claw anything back if it’s on a blockchain aka on thousands/millions of computers already (you can’t).

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        If you push a secret key you should definitely generate a new one. Way to many bots out there that scan new commits for exactly that reason

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          Yeah please just rotate the secret if that happens. Doesn’t matter what platform it is, this is true of GitHub as well. Secrets that are accidentally published are no longer secret.

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          Yeah it’s not an insurmountable problem but it has happened to me where I push some commits and I realize “oh lemme remove this code because it leaks a little info about me personally” etc

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        You can make commits on your system without pushing them to the remote server, and that’s the default behavior.

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        that’s already a concern. what if someone just cloned your repo? there’s also plenty of people that mirror public repos to their personal forgejo server. forgejo makes it very easy.

        the only solution to mitigate such a mistake is to
        1) invalidate the token
        2) remove the commit

        In that order.

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        I did not mean decentralized hosting of the projects (e.g. your project will be on all instances).

        I meant decentralized account usage (e.g. you can use your example.com forgejo account to create an issue on otherexample.org)… Just like Lemmy… I could use my reddthat.com lemmy account to create a post on your instance lemmy.world without having to register there.

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      Wouldn’t it be the other way around, having someone centralized so with one account you can report bugs in any public project?

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    Nice!

    I actually recently set up my own Forgejo instance, and it’s remarkably similar to GitHub, to the point where they share Github’s “actions” code.

    Congrats! More hosting diversity is a good thing.

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      Yep I got one too. Works great and self hosted. I swear its actually faster than GH is nowadays.

      And I like that it doesn’t try to advertise and recommend a ton of repos to do you like GH does now.

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        GitHub has slowly become an advertising platform for repos more than anything. I miss what it was just a couple of years ago. It did exactly what you needed when you needed it. Now it’s just so bloated

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      Forgejo Actions is definitely not a turnkey idential-to-GitHub solution, but it’s quite similar and for most not-super-complicated setups it’s basically the same (for better or worse, depending on if you like GH’s Actions).

      As far as I remember, everything that I need works out of the box, except for Docker. In fact, just about everything Docker is somewhat quirky in Forgejo Actions.

      1. One mildly annoying quirk of Forgejo is that as of current, the token generated for each Actions run is not quite the same as GitHub’s token. For my specific use case, if you want to upload a Docker Image to the package repository, you can not use the standard auto-generated token, which GitHub does allow you to use. Forgejo instead currently requires you generate your own app token and use that instead, as the auto-generated one lacks permissions over packages. (https://codeberg.org/forgejo/forgejo/issues/3571)

      2. Depending on your infrastructure, it might just be impossible to make the various Docker-related actions (such as https://code.forgejo.org/docker/build-push-action) work. As an example, my infrastructure outlined below is one such case where those actions simply do not work.

      Bare Metal (Debian 12) /
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         ├─ Forgejo Runner
         ├─ Podman-in-Podman (Inner Podman also Rootless)/
            ├─ <Actions Containers Run Here>
      
      * If you use rootful Docker with Docker-in-Docker, those actions will then work as expected. It is just that attempting to make them work with Rootless Podman (at least the version that ships with Debain 12) currently seems to be impossible.
      
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        1. that’s really too bad, I hope that gets resolved soon
        2. that’s a pretty old version of podman (4.3 looks like?); also, why have nested podman? My infra is something like this:
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        ├─ Rootless Forgejo Runner (planning to run on another machine entirely)
           ├─ <Actions Containers Run Here>
        

        I doubt the extra level of nesting is the issue though. If your issue is networking, then maybe the version of podman is the issue, since they switched out the networking layer in 5.0. I upgraded for a related reason, though I’m still getting some odd issues (mostly w/ the DNS resolver).

        I haven’t gotten to cross-compiling just yet, nor have I needed to build a docker image since my projects are very much in the testing phase. But maybe I’ll give it a shot soon, since it’s better to catch these types of issues before it becomes a bigger problem.

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          I agree that it is quite possibly related to the version of Podman moreso than an inherent issue. I am currently satisfied, however, and have no desire to fiddle with it any more… Or at least until Debian 13 gets released.

          My use of PinP is almost entirely for cleanliness. It allows me to more easily wipe the build environment (clear out space, troubleshooting). It also mildly improves security as the ‘untrusted’ actions containers run on a separate environment from the important Forgejo container.

          The workaround I use for the premade Docker actions not functioning is to simply install Podman as one of the build steps and use that instead, lol. (Some configuration required, but that’s the gist.)

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      I love that they have scoped labels while GitHub still doesn’t

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        What’s wrong w/ actions? Is there something else you prefer?

        I think they’re quite powerful. There are a variety of triggers, runners are fairly easy to configure (easy to scale up), and the syntax is pretty straightforward. It seems to work pretty well.

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          Every other ci in existence you just write a command. Then if it doesn’t work you run the command on your machine and fix it.

          Actions are “magic” which means you have to fake the ci runner with tools and reverse engineer the action to run local debugging and if it failed you might not even fully know what was running with digging into the actions source.

          GitHub provides you the tools and their “easy” until they aren’t.

          It’s very Microsoft though. It feels like trying to write a Windows app and trying to get your random Net environment definition to line everything up and compile in VS then hoping the same thing happens when you deploy.

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          I prefer Gitlab CICD but there are many. Actions had a lot of potential. Then Microsoft bought GitHub and just slapped the Actions label on their CI. If you pull off the mask, it is just Azure devops.

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            I do too. I kinda miss Jenkins but a lot of the conveniences in GitLab’s CI are really nice and it’s better for 99% of use cases.

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    I always kept telling Free-software & OpenSource projects/developers to move to GitLab, Codeberg or SourceHut

    You cannot fight capitalists on a capitalists platform.

    & if you want something that’s even more independent try Fossil

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      Codeberg is a non-profit that has no fees, but accepts donations. They only allow FOSS projects.

      Why would I move away from git if I could just move away from github/lab and keep git?

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        Are you talking about Fossil ? Fossil’s commands are just like git’s & with the added benefit of having Github’s stuff like wiki & even a forum built into it

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          That’s a gimmick that doesn’t justify the costs of switching from Git (IMO)

          If you want decentralized collaboration features in git without using forge software, you can use mailing lists like the Linux kernel does.

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      By what standard is GitLab not a “capitalist platform”? It feels even more corporatey than GitHub. From their homepage:

      GitLab is the most comprehensive AI-powered DevSecOps Platform.

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          Gitlab was created by a Ukrainian, and Microsoft is blocking Organic maps Russian developer due to sanctions due to war on ukraine, which is why what you’re suggesting is pretty cursed

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    So wait.

    GitHub is Microsoft?

    EDIT: Okay, fuck that. I was just getting all set up there but not now.

    I am trying to decide between PyCharm and VS Code for my Python IDE. I was leaning toward VS Code, but they’re Microsoft too, aren’t they?

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      Yes, also remember to completely avoid Typescript and C# since they are also Microsoft. And Rust since heavy ties to Amazon. Don’t look for a job on Linkedin (where most listings are posted) because that’s also Microsoft. Actually, just to spare you the time, avoid programming altogether and do something like farming, since no Big Tech influence there. /s

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        I do like the work Microsoft has done with typescript itself, but more and more I’m seeing they are trying to tie up the language to VSCode, treating other editors as “second class citizens” for it and that has started to make me reconsider things.

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        I’m retired and doing hobby projects in Python and java, so I get choices (including not playing) but wtf, big tech figured out how to take over open source?

        That’s particularly evil.

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            I’m not trying to be like some HOLY MOUNTAIN that no unclean things can ever touch.

            I’m just trying to keep myself free. I’ll use people’s stuff. If that starts becoming bondage, I’m out

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          A cynical explanation would be using the EEE theory to explain all of this.

          A more nuanced one would be that corporations benefit from open source since it creates an easier pipeline to onboard engineers and they also benefit from the free labor that people put into the projects out of passion. Whether they want to kill OSS after embracing it is debatable, but they definitely want to have as much leverage on it as possible.

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            Bill Gates stated: “One thing we have got to change in our strategy – allowing Office documents to be rendered very well by other people’s browsers is one of the most destructive things we could do to the company. We have to stop putting any effort into this and make sure that Office documents very well depend on proprietary IE capabilities. Anything else is suicide for our platform. This is a case where Office has to avoid doing something to destroy Windows.”

            That Wikipedia is a gold mine of evil.

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            I feel like a good illustration would be a bicycle.

            1. My bicycle works fine, a little slow, but it beats walking, and requires little to no outside resources or upkeep.
            2. My neighbor, Joe Microsoft, slaps an 80cc motor on my bike. It’s a lot faster, and less work for me, and Joe keeps it full of gas and tuned up, and fixes it when it breaks.
            3. I need Joe now to support my biking. I no longer have the resources to do it at this level, but Joe does.

            Is that about right? Are we selling open source for speed and convenience?

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        Yes, also remember to completely avoid Typescript and C# since they are also Microsoft.

        This, but unironically.

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        And VSCodium is the project that releases builds from the VS Code source code. Privacy-conscious developers should use VSCodium (which is fully FOSS) instead of Visual Studio Code (which is partially proprietary and includes tracking).

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          I use this on my private setup, but struggling to get tge Python language server to properly work. Apprently the VS Code one is unavailable. What do people use for this on VS Codium?

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      Might check out Zed. Relatively new editor from the folks behind Atom and treesitter. Extremely fast with an excellent interface and vim mode. The second best vim mode behind Neovim.

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        I’ve been testing Zed for the last couple weeks for some Vue / Nuxt projects. It works great for that and seems very stable so far, but is also developed by a for-profit. Curious to see how the Zedless project works out.

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          I actually think their comments when it first went open source are pretty compelling. I don’t disagree with you and I’m interested to see how zedless fares, but new projects of this scale are tough to do well and quickly. I’m pretty happy with their current approach.

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      PyCharm is a solid choice. It just works. But if you’re open to another editor, take a look at Zed. It has python support too. It’s super snappy and way less bloated than the others.

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      I’m also very new to doing any type of programming, and also don’t remember things from last week lol. I use Kate, it’s from KDE which is from the Linux world but works on windows! They have some other good programs that also work on windows (and Mac too I think!) if you’re trying to extract yourself from there. I don’t know python very well so don’t know if Kate is the best choice compared to PyCharm for your use case, but might be a good allrounder.

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      I can forgive not knowing github is MS.

      but, how in the actual fuck did you not know VS Code is MS?

      do you just close your eyes and code blind all day long?

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        Maybe they are just getting started with learning programming, be kind.

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          Ding ding ding ding ding!

          Like, just BRAND NEW, leaning baby programmer!

          Nope, not that. Haven’t earned the name ‘programmer’ at all.

          Just a guy who is starting to learn and is probably going to abandon learning but is going to try anyway and is trying not to fuck up in the beginning! Guy.

          Plus I’m 63. So learning anything at all is like nailing boards to sand.

          Maybe I learned it, but that was last week. Can’t expect me to remember last week shit.

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            If you want to use VSCode without the Microsoft bits, they actually provide that officially. VSCodium is VSCode with all the Microsoft-specific bits stripped out (or rather, not added in in the first place, at compile time). It’s all open source too so you can either verify yourself or have a knowledgeable friend do an audit on your behalf.

            I use VSCode at work a lot and enjoy it quite a bit. A good alternative would be to use Kate/Kwrite with all of the coding plugins and the linter plugins turned on, the experience is pretty close to VSCode/ium without store extensions.

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            Keep learning and asking questions! Maybe programming isn’t something for you or maybe it’ll be a big part of your life. You’ll never know without giving it a try.

            Please don’t get discouraged by the curmudgeons. Not all of us experienced in the field have given into grouchiness.