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Israeli forces have been accused of executing handcuffed Palestinian medics before burying them in a mass grave underneath their crushed ambulances in southern Gaza’s Rafah.
Fifteen humanitarian workers went missing last week after responding to a distress call from civilians being attacked by Israeli forces.
The workers include eight paramedics from the Palestine Red Crescent Society (PRCS), six members of the Palestinian Civil Defence search-and-rescue teams, and one UN staff member.
They were found over the weekend in a mass grave with at least around 20 multiple gunshots in each one of them, according to Mahmoud Basal, spokesperson for the Palestinian Civil Defence in Gaza.
At least one of them had their legs bound, another was decapitated and a third topless, he added.
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If the IDF scum are ever held to account, the decent people of the world should next go after their own leaders for blindly supporting these atrocities and not stopping them earlier. The genocide of the Palestinians is a blight on many western so-called liberal democracies.
But their shills in the West will make sure that if you raise your voice, depending on your legal status, you will be slandered, roughed up by police, have your degree revoked, snatched up from your family or in the middle of the street, and deported.
And they will use the charge of antisemitism as a cudgel, all the while playing into all the worst antisemitic tropes and preparing the ground for the next round of actual antisemitic violence.
Zionism hurts Palestinians first, people who stand up for humanity second, all Jews third. It’s a shit ideology.
AP telling the same story. Looked like Reuters was, as well, at a quick glance. So I guess this is confirmed.
What a terrible thing.
Fucking hell… I mean how many blatant war crimes does Israel need to commit before countries start condemning them. Goddammit, seriously
At this point there is none. They have been doing shit like this for decades. Israel was founded by terrorists and on terrorism.
The US is the behind this 100% we don’t even have a ballot option against it
We give them the weapons to do it, then drive aid trucks through their territory in a token effort to help the Gazans, it’s goddamn shameful.
I realize that’s what it was at face value but the reality worth keeping in mind is that one side would have likely been more open to continued pressure to shift stances after the election, but felt like they had to say certain things publicly prior to the election because this country spent the past 30+ years ejecting anyone that didn’t fully back Israel.
People only started caring enough to make this an issue within the past year. I’m not trying to shift blame or apologize for the system, but in what world can that sort of political entrenchment combined with the drawn out multi year election cycle be completely undone within a single election year?
This was all set in motion in 2016 and whats happening now is just that boulder coming to rest. Entire generations have been born and died (and/or murdered) in this prison.
one side would have likely been more open to continued pressure to shift stances after the election
I don’t believe this at all, if it’s true can you tell me what makes you think that? Because neither the Biden or Harris campaign gave me any indication that they would stop arming and defending this genocide
They were the only side concerned with ever having to win an election again. I don’t think the literal insurrectionist side is concerned with public opinion that disagrees with them.
Plus, Trump is supporting Israel wiping Palestinians off the map (he literally made that video about turning it into a resort), and will probably support Israel if they try to start consuming Lebanon and Syria (which they already have been for a really long time in case you didn’t know). You realize if they cease to exist, there’s a literally 0 chance things get any better.
I didn’t say it would be a magical fix, I was just saying relatively speaking. Also sometimes shit takes time, I’ve had to wait 14 years to watch Syria finally rid itself of that asswipe bashar. Anything above zero is better than zero. Having to make that choice is why I was born here and not in another country you might be able to take a guess at.
In fact I watched the entire Arab Spring unfold (on Aljazeera where they actually covered it) and saw the same people now on the side of ending the Palestinian genocide, be against Obama helping intervene in support of the oppressed people of those countries who were getting massacred by western weapons used by their fucked up genocidal leaders, while said people were literally begging us for help. I watched France be the one to take the lead and say they would establish the No Fly Zone if the US didn’t, when the hand wringing was going on for weeks and the rebels taking a heavy price for that delay, only afterwards would the US and other countries step in to finally help. Even then there was a ton of shit from the side “looking out” for arabs today and I took note of the utter lack of humanity in the words I heard being spoke, despite how polite and pleasant they were made to sound.
After Libya, there was no political will left to help in Syria, and the Syrian situation was just a bit too “messy” to get involved with, so the result was basically “fuck em”
Don’t get me wrong, I’m glad people care enough to protest in the street about this shit finally, and I don’t want to shut you down with the arab card or anything, just for real, I grew up with stories about this as a child. It fucking sucks but I can be realistic enough to know entrenched career politicians who’ve had to survive the “cant disagree with Israel” political purge that was basically ongoing until 2023, are going to turn on a dime in the last quarter of an election cycle. I’m down with all the change/improving the fucked up political system (assuming that’s even an option anymore) but that hasn’t happened yet, this was the old system, and it works a certain way or it doesn’t work at all.
But I’m also not cynical enough to say the two options were in any way equal.
So your answer to my question “what made you think there was any chance Harris would stop arming this genocide” is vibes
You read between the lines and imagined some good intent on her part that wasn’t there, it was just in your mind
You are a privileged and racist piece of shit. They literally said and defended the US funding and arming Israel.
Fuck you, no they wouldnt have you racist piece of shit. They literally said they will keep funding Israel.
Money money money… Money!
Here is some of the footage of the digging up of the bodies for those who want video evidence:
for a country that loves to talk about their right to exist, they sure as fuck try their best to disprove they have that right at all. nazi germany didn’t have a right to exist.
Condoning or condemning atrocities has rarely been about the race, nationality, religion, etc. of who was harming or being harmed. Whoever is in power at the time decides what is condoned or condemned.
20th century Jews were at the mercy of a seemingly-unstoppable German force. Now that Israel are largely in charge of the immediate region, they set the tone, forgetting what had been done to their ancestors.
Americans weep and gnash teeth over foreign atrocities while standing on the blood of Indigenous people their powerful ancestors were perfectly fine murdering just to gain land.
African tribes slaughtered each other long before becoming victims of Euro/American slavery.
I’m not justifying any of it. Just saying it’s the ebb and flow of who is in power at the time that determines who gets to decide what’s condoned or condemned, not the race, etc. of the aggressor or victim. Over centuries and millennia, many/most nations and peoples will take turns giving and receiving atrocities. All you need is an evil leader and just enough supporters to make it seem “ok enough”.
Theres an active ongoing genocide happening and you are talking about ebb and flow? What the actual fuck. Fuck off. Use your words and voice to speak out against it not defend it you privileged fucking asshole.
It’s sad to see you have such low comprehension skills, if you think I’m defending it. I do hope you get better. EDIT: Holy shit, your comment history. Please seek professional help.
Not surprised. There’s a video out there with a journalist interviewing older IDF veterans who talk about murdering Palestinian civilians and the sick bastards are smiling.
… Fucking hell. What is wrong with Israel.
Selfrighteousness would be the most likely answer
Far right wing government, a president (PM in their case) that has multiple credible cases of corruption against him and is holding onto power desperately to try to avoid prosecution.
Sound familiar?
I’m not against Jews, I’m against Israel. It appears that the lesson they learned from the Nazis is how to commit atrocities.
It’s almost as if the lesson should be that Jews aren’t unique and are just like any other people. And if you put any group of people into an explicit ethnostate, that group of people is going to turn into Nazis.
Most countries around the world are based on ethnicity/national identity. Yet they all don’t manage to turn into Nazis. It’s not the state type its the choice made by its people.
There is a difference between having a dominant ethnic identity and being an ethnostate.
Israel is only 75% Jewish 🤷
Obviously they’re trying to be an ethnostate and like to commit genocide. But it’s not like they’re doing that purely bc it’s only one group of people within their borders.
Ethnostate refers to them explicitly having written in their constitution that they are a state for ethnic Jews. Any civilized country has a constitution that grants human rights to ebery human and certain civil rights based on citizenship. Israel explicitly is designed as an ethnic supremacy apartheid state.
Ahh that makes the comment I was replying to make way more sense. Didn’t fully realize the extent to which Israel is founded on ethnic superiority
All Israeli citizens have the same rights under Israeli law.
You cannot expect atrocities to lead to anything good. We see it in gaza right now, the ongoing genocide will breed more terrorists and more conflicts.
Exactly, anyone with two braincells realizes the implications.
Do you go in blazing, making it clear you’re trying to minimize collateral damage and treat people with respect while getting the job done?
Or do you go in blazing, setting people’s houses on fire and killing medics?
which is part of the plan. without constant conflict the likes of Bibi Hitleryahu could never obtain power.
Isn’t it far* older than that? Didn’t Israel commit the main genocide in the Old Testament? Religious people tell me that’s a historical document.
To me, this same holy war has been raging for millennia and I really wish we’d outgrow it.
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none of his conflict is about Judaism or Islam. it’s about colonialism. jews who were expelled during the inquisition found a safe haven in lands of muslims. they lived side by side for decades.
the unfortunately intense antisemitism you may find among Muslim populations is because of what happened to Palestine in the name of zionism.
the way Israel insists that they represent jews and Judaism breeds antisemitism. which is what they want by the way. jews experiencing antisemitism around the world gives them more potential colonizing power.
they also want you to think this is about religion because it becomes easy to dismiss and both-sides the issue and distract from the fact that it is about ethnic cleansing and genocide.
Zionism isn’t a religious colonizing movement? Is Israel not a Jewish ethnostate? To say that this isn’t related to Judaism in some way is disingenuous.
if anything it’s a christian colonialist project. the superstars of colonialism, the brits are mainly to thank here. but all of that is besides my point.
again, jews and arabs lived side by side before Israel was a state. jews were Jewish and arabs were mostly Muslim back then as well. if it really were about religious differences they wouldn’t be living in peace before. it’s not the religion, it’s politics. and war crimes.
Why set up a Jewish state if it wasn’t the goal? Look I get it, anti-Semitism is shit. Jews are targeted for something that they aren’t responsible for. But all of these politics and war crimes are, unfortunately, covered in Jewish flavor. That’s a problem for all Jews, I think. To combat this by saying religion has no part in this isn’t working.
they set up a Jewish state because european countries didn’t want to accept Jewish migrants. they used the holy land as an excuse to tell Jewish people to fuck off to Palestine where they can replace some brown people rather than bother white christians.
again, if the problem was really the religion it would be there before the establishment of the Israeli state. I’m telling you that the religions of both peoples were constant while the political move was the variable that changed. that’s how you find causes, however much you’d like to chalk this up to religion bad.
I hear the same shit from people who blame Iran’s situation on their religion when again it was clearly the very blatant meddling of colonial forces. they had the same religion before and after the revolution. the thing that changed was the US replacing a democratically elected head of state with a stooge. people love to cover for the atrocities of western powers by pretending it’s all about religious disputes.
Why does Israel decry it’s criticism of the genocide as anti-semitism if it has nothing to do with it’s religion? Israelis do use Judaism as a justification for their actions, is that not in doubt? Whatever happened in the past has no bearing on the immense suffering caused by a flag that symbolizes Judaism right now.
Jesus fucking christ this is some evil shit.
And Republicans keep trying to convince us the Israeli government is the good guys. >.>
Please don’t act like it’s just republicans.
This started under Biden, and centrist democrats gleefully shouted down progressives sounding the alarm like the good little fascism apologists that US centrists are. It is now much worse under the Trump regime, but you are 1000% right.
When I worked in a restaurant - and this was near 20 years ago, at the tail end they had us sign some condition of employment and that added a clause that we weren’t to boycott Israel as employees. A restaurant in America.
So, how many of you work for companies that have this exact thing? I quit working for others over twelve years so because of shit like this. If you work for a major corp 99% of you likely signed an anti Israel boycott in your hiring forms and you don’t even know it.
Let that simmer a bit then figure out what you need to do because these companies can’t run without employees. They need employees more than customers.
Please don’t act like it’s just USAmericans.
The Democrats lost the election because they refused to condemn Israel. For once, this is actually a “both sides” problem.
People keep saying this and I apologise if this comes across as callous, but this is a very online opinion. I’ve seen no evidence whatsoever that the Palestinian genocide would even move the needle for the average American voter let alone be enough to sway the election. While I’m sure it didn’t help, the Democrats lost because they promised more of the same neoliberalism at home when many Americans desperately wanted a departure from the status quo and because there’s a depressing amount of Americans that are just straight up bigots, not because of their stance on Gaza.
Exactly.
Blind support for Israel is not a Republican or Democrat issue. It is American issue, stewing for decades.
If anything, condemning Israel before manufacturing consent from American public for the same is political suicide.
And American public is fucking stupid.
I haven’t heard anything about Gaza not online. I work blue collar and am surrounded by low information/conservative people. I can’t think of any time any of them mentioned Palestine or Gaza.
Venezuela has come up far more often. Lots of racism and at my job I’m the minority being white. I’ve heard absolute crazy shit from my coworkers mouths and sometimes have walked them through their thought process and that usually ends up with them saying “when you put it like that it sounds mean”.
I don’t think many of them actually vote though. I know personally its hard for me to make it in time to vote if I don’t request off or something.
All that to say I agree. I know my little work place isn’t representative of everyone but it’s a common thread of almost everyone we hire.
i concur with your assessment. aside from a miniscule number of spiteful perpetually online leftists, there is no evidence whatsoever that gaza made an impact on large numbers of voters. whether one party represented change/disruption VS status-quo/more-of-the-same is almost certainly how typical Americans framed their decision.
You know what I want you and everyone who makes this argument to do?
Next time some pro-genocide centrist is blaming people who weren’t 100% on board with wiping out every last Palestinian in Gaza for the loss Harris earned, you make this same argument then.
Otherwise, you’re just dismissing opposition to genocide.
And the Democrat leader Schumer says his job is to keep the left pro-Israel, there is no redeemable politician in power here. If we had real justice they would all be hanged for supporting genocide.
That’s because Schumer is a Nazi collaborator.
I’ll never get enough of saying it: this is happening with the help and support of your government
How do you know what country we’re in?
Are all nations helping Israel? That seems unlikely.
name one that isn’t or that isn’t part of an alliance doing it
God damn. If there’s a god, just wait.
Safely presuming there isn’t, these assholes gotta get found and destroyed just like people have done with former nazi commanders and stuff.
Have you ever given consideration to the fact that there may be a God… but they are malevolent, not benevolent?
I intend to destroy them and the devil both if the opportunity ever arises.
around 20 multiple gunshots in each one of them […] one of them had their legs bound, another was decapitated
Oh that’s not good
The Israeli military said in an initial statement that trucks were struck because they were being used by Hamas and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad.
Ah thank goodness for a clear explanation
Behold, the apex of humanity. God help us.
