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The original was posted on /r/technology by /u/Wagamaga on 2025-04-19 17:06:58+00:00.
Good.
This belongs in uplifting news
0% would be uplifting. This is still way too many people supporting a piece of shit.
Too true.
Just imagine if there wasn’t a crazy tariff on Chinese cars the figure would be even lower. BYD are making some great cars
BYDs are everywhere now in Australia. Not sure what alternative brands are available in the US, is it just Rivian?
And other Chinese brands!. The MG4 is super popular in Australia too. Can get it for about $38k AUD ($25k USD).
Even if Tesla wasn’t tarnished by association with Musk, they have absolutely nothing at the budget end of the market. ie for buyers that traditionally bought corollas, little Mazdas and Hyundai’s.
And BYD has the whole range, if I want a luxury sedan the BYD Seal goes toe to toe with the model 3.
I think China is going to eat everyone’s lunch here in the same way Japan did in the 70s/80s, and Korea went in even cheaper in the 90s and 00s (how many Hyundai Excels/Accents were there in Australia in late 90s early 00s).
On the more affordable end around here I see a lot of electric cars from Ford, Chevrolet, Kia, and Hyundai around here, and to a lesser extent Volkswagen. On the high end it’s mostly Mercedes-Benz and BMW, sometimes Porsche. Once in a while I’ll see Rivian but they don’t have a dealership in our state. Even more rarely I’ll see Polestar, which does have a dealership in a city at the other end of the state, and at least one person here has a Lucid Air.
Edit: also on the high end, there’s at least one Hummer EV driving around here.
Depends on where you are in California I guess. I see more Rivians here than Cybertrucks.
Polestar is Chinese
Are you asking if Rivian is the only company besides Tesla selling electric cars in the US?
No, nearly all major manufacturers sell EVs. Something like 25 brands.
Edit: although a few of those may still only be selling plug-in hybrids. I know Alfa Romeo is one, for example.
Rivian & the 2 or 3 models the big manufacturers have. I see way more hybrids than full electrics in my area.
I believe there was a 100% tariff in place pre-Trump meltdown on Chinese EVs in the U.S, making them less viable in that market. The EU also tariffs them heavily, which is quite a pity.
The EU also tariffs them heavily
Yes, to tip the scales back towards fair competition pricing by offsetting the subsidies the Chinese brands are getting from their government. It doesn’t fully offset it though, they’re still quite a lot cheaper than e.g. VW BEVs
And chinese EVs are still competitive in the EU. Tafiffs are effective, and can be positive, to prevent dumping and stuff, just not across the board.
rivian isnt even that widespread , and they are still testing some models. i can see them going for IONIQ 5, maybe mercedes, or bmw.
Ford has at least one now, I think VW does as well
Ford has 3, the F-150 Lightning and the unfortunately named Mustang Mach-E, and the E-Transit van I think is primarily for commercial customers.
the mercedes one is i used by amazon delivery.
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In Europe Tesla isn’t even #1 on EV anymore, they have been surpassed by VAG aka Volkswagen Group.
Depending on how you compare, they are probably a little bit more expensive, but also higher quality.but also higher quality
That’s a low bar.
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hur, hur, you said VAG
Glad I’m not the only full grown child reading the thread
These guys are FAKE NEWS and Need to be DEPORTED for Hurting ELON MUSKS FEELINGS!
I have duly upvoted your obvious sarcasm.
Same
after what he has done to californias fast rail system, with the hyperloop scam, he deserves much more. he kept it long enough until trumps admin blocked any funding for it, through ELAINE CHAO.
California has done enough to kill that proejct even without Elon/Trump. For the amount of time and money invested they should be operating the entire line from San Diego to Oregon as of a few years ago.
Musk already got what he wanted. He bought Trump, and Trump will give Palantir every ounce of government data to analyze, which was likely a sticking point for Palantir to cement them as the only viable product for the US governments future military applications. Once pandoras box is open for classified data its a little bit hard to close it, especially once they gain a dependence on it.
Palantir then buys his crappy xAI platform that recently bought Twitter.
Womp womp.
Keep it up Cali! FUCK EM!
🖕Tesla
I refuse to believe that it was over 50%
This is only electric car market share.
It’s crazy that one manufacturer being below 50% market share is news.
They had near 100% EV market share just a few years back.
Losing half the market in 3-4 years is a huge change for any company, even if some of it was inevitable as rivals caught up and suprassed their offerings.
ear 100% EV market share just a few years back.
in cali, ev is big here.
At some point prices will get so low that it’ll make sense to buy a Tesla and rework the body so no one knows it’s a Tesla.
They’re already selling at virtually no markup. They’re also old, very mature production lines. There’s not much more price drop to be had, unless Tesla starts selling them at a loss.
Even at these lower prices, Tesla makes more money on their EVs than their competitors. That’s part of why the others haven’t been able to expand and compete as quickly. Expanding an expensive vehicle becomes a bigger liability as you have less pricing room. GM is only planning to have their first EV profitable year this year, and I’ll believe it when I see it.
The Cybertruck is probably another story though, I don’t know if that’s profitable at the lower than expected sales rate.
Edit: E.g the Bolt everyone loves from GM never made GM money. That’s why they didn’t sell more. They did learn from it though so it wasn’t a total loss for them.
Well either they sell them at a loss or they just let them sit on lots forever.
Tesla would rather recoup some revenue than just scrap all their remaining inventory.
Doing that will probably make it near impossible to get serviced, though.
If you can buy a Tesla cheap enough the usable parts, such as batteries and motors, can be moved to a different frame or vehicle. Even an ICE vehicle that you’d like to electrify. It’s all just parts.
I like the way you think. When Tesla tanks and gets sold off for pennies, could you please start a Tesla Conversion business? I’d like to have a useful EV pickup that can carry a slide-in truck camper. I don’t need any of that self-driving shit or connections to the Cloud or giant touch screens. Just pedals, gauges, levers, buttons, and a steering wheel.
There are some companies working on electric crate engines for conversion, I forget the names but they should be ready sometime soon
That’s pretty wild and really cool to ponder. Battery placement and balancing its weight safely seems like a steep hurdle for bolt-on EV conversions.
Seems like there’s potential space in a lot of the undercarriage, or as flat packs at the base of the engine and trunk compartments.
The electric motor for the Mach-E is available in a crate.
Good, fuck those poorly made vehicles.
